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Eggwars, rethink op

Discussion in 'Suggestions' started by awesomebutter234, Jul 8, 2016.

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Good or poop?

  1. Good

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  2. Poop

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  3. I have my own idea(write it in the comments)

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  4. Change 1.8 op eggwars.

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  1. awesomebutter234

    awesomebutter234 Member

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    Why is Op about breaking down armor, as is right now you may as well give everybody resistance 4 and call it a day. Right now Op is stupidly op, it should be more about being Op WITHIN reason.I suggest lowering the protection of the armour to protection 2-3, or raise the weapon's sharpness by 2-4, or mess around with how much armor bar an armor piece has. This way it's still op, but it won't take a year and a half to kill one person.(specially with the ungodly triple health op combo). If you do like the way op is right now I would like to know why so at least I know what's enjoyable about it.(other than ender pearls, those are awesome)
    Finally Op is about breaking armor down(should not be this way) and not killing the person so why not spam their armor down since you can't kill them?
    Left this out of the poll on accident but say why or why not.Smply voting yes or no does not cut it because then I don't know how I could improve the suggestion or what people don't like about it.Finally don't vote on good and bad, one or the other. In 1.8 op is more balanced due to spamming doing full damage, don't change it there unless a good amount of people want that change to the 1.8 eggwars.
     
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    I agree or:

    - Fire Aspect Swords
    - Flame Bows
     
  3. awesomebutter234

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    To be honest the default 64 diamond word should have had that anyways, and a costlier bow with flame and power would be amazing.
     
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    I agree. Protection 4 on leather, is too high. Your first fight will take around 10 minutes and after that people would have chain or iron armor that has protection 4 aswell.
    So I agree.
     
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    I misread that as your fist fight but then again that's what a fight at the beginning will boil down to.
     
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    When you lower the protection of the armor and higher the sharpness and stuff, wouldn't it technically be exactly the same as normal mode?
    I think the enchantments are good, but maybe they could reduce the durability of all armor so that fights wont take like 3 decades.

    Maybe add flame/fire aspect ( idea from buildbuild25 ) and thorns to OP eggwars to make the armor break faster?
    Buckets would also be nice to add, but only to OP mode, not to normal mode that would ruin it.
    Throwable TNT or bows with explosion could also be a thing in OP mode, maybe.
     
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    I said lower the armour or put the sharpness higher, not both. Even with throns it would take a long time for armor to break and also that encourages spamming(like regular op didn't advertise that already) If you reduce the durability players will have backup armor, so it will make diamond armor practically useless and iron armor the best choice due to cost. Finally if you were to add buckets then campers would rejoice because those buckets would either have lava and/or water. If it's water they basically drown their egg, and if it's lava it's the same thing as water, but just with lava, or worst of all you put in both and then they make regen walls. Will it be like normal, no it will still take a little bit of time to kill someone, it just doesn't require you to break their armor.
     
  8. zRinne

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    As someone who has played OP tons of times, you don't know how godly fast our leather armor breaks, I need to hold at least 2 extra sets just to secure myself. Because of prot 5, their teammates can quickly come to back them up - which is one of the point of OP/team games.
    I don't think it would work well if your ideals came true and it's not in triple health, It's fine as it is but I'm sure others have different opinions.
     
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    You are thinking about the early game, what about the late game? Also leather armor is really cheap even if you are getting demolished just buy new sets due to the fact that people can't kill you and how cheap it is.(you only bring two, what about the people that bring 5, or 8?!) If you are in the late game with leather you basically have no chance of winning anyways. If you are being ganged up on call for help from your teammates, if you don't have teammates you are screwed either ways. With this at least you can attemp to keep eating golden apples to kill them.(granted they don't have golden apples) If you put yourself in such a position that you are being ganged up on because you did not tell your teammates something, and your teammates can't get to you then deserve that death. Your teammates are meant to be your teammates, not your rescue squad.
     
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    Teammates are there to back you up, that's what teamwork is about. It all comes to skill, if you know you don't stand a chance - run to somewhere where you have the advantage. That's common sense.
    In the normal mode, it's easy to kill someone in full iron gear while in leather if someone doesn't have the skills and misses their hits most of the time, that's the same for OP. Strafe, circle around them, use some game play to get the upper hand.
    If you don't have a teammate, you can always go ninja style and get them when they least expect it, when they are standing at the corner looking for others, when they are fighting someone and low on HP. There are many styles you can adapt to. Once you say you aren't going to win, you aren't going to win because you basically gave up when you said that.

    I guess you'll need more experience to deal with situations like this.
     
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    In my situation all of the other teams are stacked and you only have leather, you can't ninja 4 people with bad gear and weapons. In your post before you made it seem like you yoloe'd in there and made it seem like your team was your rescue squad. If you only have leather you can only run so much before you inevidly get caught. Also if you are wearing leather in the late game chances are all other teams are dead because all you did was stay at base(or for some odd reason not pick up diamonds from mid). You can only strafe and dodge so much until you inevidly get hit, you need to hit the other person 250, or 500 times and they only need to hit you 64 times and if they have a teamate take whatever chance you had to dodge and half it, if they spam half the halved chance. Anybody with decent 1.9/1.8 experience would be able to land shots, and also why not spam in op since you can't kill the person until their armor is broken unlike normal mode where spamming is all around bad?? Also you avoided the 5 sets of leather point. Finally teammates are there to back you up when you are coordinated with them, you can't spect someone to save you if you did not tell them where you are going until you are there, also stick in a group who would have the bright idea to split up without knowing that they can be killed one on one(or ambushed team killed).
     
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    I'm bringing up leather as an example of how easy armor breaks (since the OP is about breaking armor and weapon stats), I didn't realized I missed out points as I'm playing a few games with my friends and am trying to cover up points as much as I can so I apologize if it seems like I am dodging the issue.

    Let me clarify or perhaps tell you how I deal with OP.
    So lets say we are playing in underthesea, one teammate gets blocks to get to mid, one does the egg and the other gets gears, a little of blocks and a pickaxe, follows the member building to mid, the one doing the egg needs to wait for gold so he could farm gears and extra for the one coming back - if he is afraid of being alone on the island, he can also break a small portion of the bridge since it's early game, no one would be getting a bow that soon. (well some people)
    So once we reach mid, player 2 who has a few blocks and a pickaxe can either protect the member who got to mid or jump at players who bridged out and get their eggs as not much players cover them quick despite it being OP, some gets gears or just not cover it. You can yolo it since your egg is still alive.

    Once you get back, have at least an extra leather set in your hotbar just in case of combat, since gold is used for covering egg and diamonds haven't been maxed yet - that's what I tried to explain, sorry if it wasn't clear enough. If you want to go to mid to farm a little more gen, it's best to have a teammate back you up (be it near you or in base watching your back) so if you have like 20+ diamonds in mid and realized someone is there, your teammate can come help you delay them in whatever tactics while you run back since you are contributing to them.

    Late game: You can just go as a team while breaking your bridge back to base so no one runs over and gang up a team, kill them once, blow up their chest and get their egg.

    I actually lost track of what I was trying to explain, my bad.
    But if you are getting ganged up, the armor prot is really helpful since not much people get extra gears, or maybe I just don't meet anyone who does.
    It's like when me and my friend were against 3 hackers and there were only 2 of us, our teammate had abandoned us and logged ;-;
    so we being non-hackers without an egg in their base, had only 1 extra set which came in really handy since they were just spamming to break our gear, we killed them all but sadly never got to their egg since they have non human speed. a
     
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    If they are smart they already do as zRinne said.
    It already is.
    Thorns 3.
    ikr
    Meh, this is better:
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    It's called knockback and void.
    False, as long as you have armor, you're safe.
    Not always, you can play it smart and kill them seperately, or get on top of a high point and shoot em with punch if hey come too close.
    and gear lmao
    agreed.
     
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    Not just leather armor.. even iron armor breaks fast. So I don't want it reduced otherwise you might as well keep most of your inventory filled with extra armors.
     
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    In saying you have leather armour and crap weapons, no bows since this imaginary person failed to get diamonds, thorns 3 would still hurt who is hitting you, not sure if thorns goes through armor but any extra knock back is really good. Not all maps have villagers that are out in the open also the persons could have built a wall around the villager. If you are stuck in combat you are dead with leather armor,if you manage to get away what's stopping them from chasing you by using blocks? Again you could be the worlds best pvper but if you are stuck in a 1v3 you will inevidly get hit even if you try your best. I would even question if the best pvper could take on a 1v2 since it's a long fight based on durability and you can't focus one person. While you are distracted on killing one person their teamates will destroy your armor
     
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    It's not about armor breaking fast, it's just how much of it you can have. Any smart person would buy more than one set of armor. Let's say 1 set of iron armor is equivalent to 3-5 minutes, multiply that by 2-5 and we are talking about a 10-25 minute kill, and that of course is not counting that they may have enchanted golden apples, if they do tack on another 1-3 minutes. If it's a team battle the hits might not be focused so add another 2-4 minutes into the mix and you have a 17- 27 ish minute kill. Now if it's a whole team against one guy of course their armor is going to get melted. zRinne the way you coordinate works because they are your friends and know the plan and your habits, with randoms coordinating in the same way would not work the same due to them not knowing your habits.
     
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    Another point you both are missing is that spamming is not supposed to be a legit strategy in 1.9 , and due to Op it is a legit strategy.(you can't kill them so might as well break their armor faster).
     
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    Spot on, in my past experiences, people in overpowered mode will get 4 sets of armor (sometimes more), and so much steak and golden apples that you cannot kill them. I think this is dead on with my opinion and think the staff should consider this, good job.
     
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    Just curious has anyone here played 1.8 op mode eggwars, if so are the kills quicker or the same pace?
     
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    they are quicker cause people spam so hard