Implemented The debounce modification / double clicking rule

RelatedNoobs said:

*Please read the entire post before voting, as I will be going over supporting arguments*

We will be talking about the rule:

Spoiler: Rule 1.3 Clicking Methods

The use of autoclickers, macros, mapping your click button to your mouse wheel, dragclicking, using multiple mice, or using a mouse that registers double clicks is not allowed. Also modifying your mouse's click function in any way via software or hardware is considered cheating and will result in a cheating ban.

1.3 - Clicking Methods​

What is debounce / double-clicking?

Double-clicking is a method of clicking a mouse that registers multiple inputs per one physical input on a mouse. For example, when you click once, two clicks register in-game rather than one. This is WITHOUT the use of ANY software or macros. How exactly does a double click work? A computer mouse registers a click usually by physical contact. It sends an electrical signal to your computer to register the click. When you click your mouse a certain way though, you can cause a "bouncing effect" where the mouse switches will register more than one electrical signal for a split second after you click your mouse. Some companies have gotten around this phenomenon by implementing a system called the "debounce delay" which will filter out the extra electrical signals. You can change how strict the filter is by modifying the debounce time. The higher it is set to, the more strict the filter.

Players are able to achieve higher CPS through double clicks when they lower the debounce time - reducing the filter's strictness.

The issue

Cubecraft has banned both double-clicking, and debounce modifying. This rule wasn't always around, until ~2 years ago when a player who goes by the name of STASI was suddenly banned for a month because they used "illegal modifications" by changing their debounce time.

Originally, this rule made sense, as Cubecraft had to consider other devices playing on the network (this was before input-based matchmaking), and they didn't want to allow PC players the advantage of using a special mouse feature - which mobile and console players cannot use. Now though, Cubecraft has input-based matchmaking. Players with a computer mouse go against other players with computer mice.

Most argue that "Changing your debounce is essentially using software to achieve higher CPS". This is true that you must use software to change debounce time, but you aren't using "cheating software" that is deliberately designed to exploit. The debounce slider is a feature in ALL SOFTWARE for gaming mice, made BY the company of the gaming mouse - not some third-party hacking client.

I would also like to take a moment to stop and really think about what debounce modifying really is. It is a FILTER to PREVENT clicks from occurring - not a slider to give you MORE clicks. Having your debounce slider at a high-strict setting is more of a handicap rather than a "normal occurrence". The filter itself is stopping legitimate electrical signals from being processed. It is NOT giving you MORE or LESS clicks. (This is not to be confused with a macro, which is software that multiplies a click after the signal is sent).

This argument is slightly weaker than the others, but I would still like to mention it. Nobody in the PvP/scrim community follows the debounce rule. Even new players that join Cubecraft for the first time will most likely have their debounce filter on a low setting. This happened recently with a YouTuber by the name of MontclairBear (147k subs) who uploaded a Cubecraft video for the first time a few days ago. The entire video is about him tellybridging/godbridging on Java 1.18 (godbridging requires a clicking method called dragclicking, which is only possible via a low-passive debounce filter). Unfortunately, I heard he is now banned from Java Cubecraft. Why did he use a low-passive debounce filter in his video in the first place? Because apart from Cubecraft, almost no other big PvP server restricts you from lowering your debounce. Hypixel for example allows debounce modification. Cubecraft is one of the only big PvP servers that prohibit low/passive debounce filtering.

Along with the last paragraph, reporting for double-clicking is practically impossible. Unless you have video evidence of the player's debounce slider at a low setting, there is not going to be enough proof to get someone punished. Players can simply argue that they were jitterclicking, or using another clicking method to achieve their CPS. For this reason too, almost everyone in the PvP community doubles.

Another argument I want to bring is that of "using hardware to give yourself an unfair advantage". If this really means what I think, then this can be generalized to "players are not allowed to use gaming mice on Cubecraft". The double-click phenomenon happens with every gaming mouse switch, this is not something that is only built into highly rare and expensive mice.

For my final argument, I want to go over "double-clicking is abusing your mouse's hardware to give yourself an advantage". Ok. So how is this any different from jitterclicking? If we are talking about a normal computer mouse, anything but normal clicking is technically abusing a mouse. There really is no difference whether you are jittering 18 cps or double-clicking 20 cps. It is all abusing your mouse to achieve more clicks per second in a block video game.

The solution

If Cubecraft is really concerned about high CPS, they should take the initiative themselves to add a CPS cap, not force each player to change a setting on their mouse's official software to filter out more CPS just to play on one server.

Thank you for reading if you've made it this far. Please try to keep an open mind about what I've said, and react to this post. This is also a slightly-heated topic, so, please do not start anything unnecessary.

Thanks.

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RelatedNoobs said:

This is not an example of double-clicking, this is a broken mouse. The difference between your office mouse and mice that double click is yours broke and started double-clicking, whereas mice that intentionally double click do this from the beginning. When I first received my model O I was able to start double-clicking the moment I unboxed it. It isn't a hardware malfunction that causes double-clicking - it is an intended feature that is advertised on most gaming mice.

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RelatedNoobs said:

This is completely false because I don't double-click but do perfectly fine against those who do (whether it be in scrims or on streams or even on different networks such as Hive or Hypixel). Allowing people to double click will not change the PvP as much as some are making it seem. The only difference this will really have is being able to place blocks faster and get a small amount of extra CPS (keep in mind I am only arguing for double-clicking, NOT dragclicking, as this is a totally different topic).

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RelatedNoobs said:

It is actually an intended feature. For example, the official website for the Bloody a70 (a popular gaming mouse used throughout the Minecraft community) deliberately advertises the a70 as having a "Click response less than 0.2 ms". This is also seen with the Roccat series mice. Once again marketing it on their website as having "a faster mechanical switch than any other with twice the durability".

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RelatedNoobs said:

If the companies didn't want to allow an "unintended feature that is a result of hardware abuse", they wouldn't market it as "abusable" if that makes any sense. We also see this when they let you change your debounce slider, if they didn't want you to change the filter's strictness, they wouldn't have implemented the slider.

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Abysss said:

I think this is a great post about a relevant issue that I have been heard come up a lot when I play. Being a mobile player myself, it is difficult to go up against pc players that get high cps. At the same time, I can see how it would be difficult for pc players to adjust their settings. I have seen many suggestions of separating different platforms, but I am not a fan of this. I personally enjoy going up against pc players since it helps me to become a better player.

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RelatedNoobs said:

You make it sound like you need to pour gasoline on your mouse and light it to cause a double click to happen. You don't "meat slap" your mouse to cause a double click. I can double-click my mouse with extremely gentle taps. Tbh I find jitterclicking more fitting for the "meat slap" term. You are flexing your arm to cause small shaking and use this to tap your mouse. Doesn't it also cause carpel tunnel syndrome or something? Anyways, I'm not here to talk about jitterclicking.

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RelatedNoobs said:

I never said the Model O was advertised as a double-clicking mouse.

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RelatedNoobs said:

When I first received my model O I was able to start double-clicking the moment I unboxed it. It isn't a hardware malfunction that causes double-clicking - it is an intended feature that is advertised on most gaming mice.

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RelatedNoobs said:

Not cheating. It is using a feature in the mouse's click registration.

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DarkStray said:

The rule was in place WAY before Stasi was ever banned, and the rules even said back then, before any rule change, “or using software to gain an advantage” was banable
This does not specifically state Double Clicking, but to change your Debounce(software) to gain an advantage(higher cps) would be banable.
In addition to the previous rule, it included auto clickers(software) and Macros(software) which would result in an advantage(higher cps).

The new rule just specifically states that double clicking in general is now banable (WHICH IT SHOULD BE)
NO MATTER WHAT MOUSE YOU BUY IT DOES NOT DOUBLE IF USED AS A MOUSE
Abusing your mouse and clicking it in SPECIFIC ways is what causes double clicks, not the mouse itself. Normal clicking(without lifting your finger off the button, just release the pressure) does not double click, even on “double clicking mice”.
Butterfly clicking is an abusive way of clicking, so is Drag Clicking. Both of which use doubles to achieve inhuman amounts of CPS, other ways to achieve that CPS require Macros and Autoclickers, but as stated above those are both Software Advantages and would be banable.


My macro was made by the gaming company.
Can I use those?

Again that’s not how I think, I think in the most realistic way, the people without gaming mice. The people who just buy a mouse and use it the correct way(majoriry of players)

They can’t change the debounce slider unless they downloaded a third party software(which now under your terms is cheating) to gain a CPS advantage


Kind of contradicts what you said previously but okay.

My macro when I press it too, sends multiple electrical signals from my mouse(because my mouse has a computer chip in it, and does not require a program to run macros, just to turn them on/off)
But it isn’t cheating now.

Also CPS = Clicks Per Second.
If I click once I get 1 cps
If I click once and get 3double clicks I am still clicking 1cps, not 4….

It is cheating either way.

And for me, I can’t change debounce time. How can I double click? Please tell.

double clicking itself is bannable. Not changing your debounce time

Now if this was Hive it would make sense, as they require you to play on a minimum 20ms debounce.
But this is cubecraft, all doubles are banable, which are really easy to spot

I explain it well in this video with hit sounds ^


I only agree with this out of everything. Because that is the only thing that makes sense

Incorrect, IBMM does not work all the time
(And that is intentional)

Also not everyone can double click, that is a false narrative. Most people normal click(not lifting a finger off the mouse AKA not MEAT slapping your mouse)

You are double clicking even with 15-18cps go to arealmecps test and look at the graph



“You can just buy a double clicking mouse to double click. Because everyone is on PC and can double click too”

Yea and everyone of those players have a PC, so we can all install autoclcikers and hacked clients too. And they are free! And I don’t have to spend money on that unlike a mouse! This should not be banable to use mods for killaura!

Please use valid logic for thi

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DarkStray said:

The rule was in place WAY before Stasi was ever banned, and the rules even said back then, before any rule change, “or using software to gain an advantage” was banable
This does not specifically state Double Clicking, but to change your Debounce(software) to gain an advantage(higher cps) would be banable.
In addition to the previous rule, it included auto clickers(software) and Macros(software) which would result in an advantage(higher cps).

The new rule just specifically states that double clicking in general is now banable (WHICH IT SHOULD BE)
NO MATTER WHAT MOUSE YOU BUY IT DOES NOT DOUBLE IF USED AS A MOUSE
Abusing your mouse and clicking it in SPECIFIC ways is what causes double clicks, not the mouse itself. Normal clicking(without lifting your finger off the button, just release the pressure) does not double click, even on “double clicking mice”.
Butterfly clicking is an abusive way of clicking, so is Drag Clicking. Both of which use doubles to achieve inhuman amounts of CPS, other ways to achieve that CPS require Macros and Autoclickers, but as stated above those are both Software Advantages and would be banable.


My macro was made by the gaming company.
Can I use those?

Again that’s not how I think, I think in the most realistic way, the people without gaming mice. The people who just buy a mouse and use it the correct way(majoriry of players)

They can’t change the debounce slider unless they downloaded a third party software(which now under your terms is cheating) to gain a CPS advantage


Kind of contradicts what you said previously but okay.

My macro when I press it too, sends multiple electrical signals from my mouse(because my mouse has a computer chip in it, and does not require a program to run macros, just to turn them on/off)
But it isn’t cheating now.

Also CPS = Clicks Per Second.
If I click once I get 1 cps
If I click once and get 3double clicks I am still clicking 1cps, not 4….

It is cheating either way.

And for me, I can’t change debounce time. How can I double click? Please tell.

double clicking itself is bannable. Not changing your debounce time

Now if this was Hive it would make sense, as they require you to play on a minimum 20ms debounce.
But this is cubecraft, all doubles are banable, which are really easy to spot

I explain it well in this video with hit sounds ^


I only agree with this out of everything. Because that is the only thing that makes sense

Incorrect, IBMM does not work all the time
(And that is intentional)

Also not everyone can double click, that is a false narrative. Most people normal click(not lifting a finger off the mouse AKA not MEAT slapping your mouse)

You are double clicking even with 15-18cps go to arealmecps test and look at the graph



“You can just buy a double clicking mouse to double click. Because everyone is on PC and can double click too”

Yea and everyone of those players have a PC, so we can all install autoclcikers and hacked clients too. And they are free! And I don’t have to spend money on that unlike a mouse! This should not be banable to use mods for killaura!

Please use valid logic for this

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DarkStray said:

Mice are not built to double click. it just doesn't make sense, if you MEAT slap your mouse. It will cause a double click
that is NOT how you are meant to use a mouse.
It's a hardware malfunction/limitation that happens after you abuse the mouse, and specifically on lighter mice where they don't reinforce anything on the mouse to keep it lighter.

And in fact, the Model O is NOT advertised as a double clicking mouse, it's advertised as a lightweight and wired with a wireless feel.
Only reviews tell you about the double clicks!
Glorious Model O Website


Even on the Bloody A70, they DO NOT ADVERTISE the mouse as a double clicking mouse, they advertise the mouse as "Light Striking" Which does not mean lightly tapping the mouse, Light Striking is just how fast the mouse would register the click to your desktop.
And on the website it advertises itself with "No Double-Click"
A70 Website


No mice are built to double, some mice are just easier to abuse than others due to features the companies wanted implemented.
Lower Strike times, Lighter mice etc.

Double clicks do not bounce on 0MS, so it is a MUCH larger advantage than someone clicking the same CPS as you without doubles

Because doubles will bounce within a certain amount of time, thats how debounce times work.

IF you have a debounce of 10, it means it can't register a multiple clicks within 10ms. But if you double and it bounces at 12ms it still registers the double

If you click lets say 4ms before the IFrame to hit somebody, your double click will then hit them.

It's cheating because YOU are NOT PHYSICALLY causing the double click to happen, you are relying on a malfunctioning mouse side affect due to poor build quality.

That is mouse -> PC
Not debounce
It's the time the mouse takes the click to register on your desktop
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Read the highlighted in yellow.

Neither the Bloody A70 or the Glo9rious Model O advertise the mice as such

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Bloody A70, only 2 mentions of the word "Double" on the page, and IT'S ABOUT NO DOUBLE CLICKING
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Same with Glorious Model O, the ONLY 2 mentions about double clicks are with Reviews, not the companies that made them.

Don't base your "facts" off of things that are not true.

YES the mice double click
BUT THE COMPANIES did not INTEND for them to be double clicking mice, the "minecraft" community determined this themselves, NOT the companies

There is Input Based Matchmaking to separate mobiles/pc/controllers

But the point being made is that cheating should be made legit essentially.

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RelatedNoobs said:

*Please read the entire post before voting, as I will be going over supporting arguments*

We will be talking about the rule:

Spoiler: Rule 1.3 Clicking Methods

The use of autoclickers, macros, mapping your click button to your mouse wheel, dragclicking, using multiple mice, or using a mouse that registers double clicks is not allowed. Also modifying your mouse's click function in any way via software or hardware is considered cheating and will result in a cheating ban.

1.3 - Clicking Methods​

What is debounce / double-clicking?

Double-clicking is a method of clicking a mouse that registers multiple inputs per one physical input on a mouse. For example, when you click once, two clicks register in-game rather than one. This is WITHOUT the use of ANY software or macros. How exactly does a double click work? A computer mouse registers a click usually by physical contact. It sends an electrical signal to your computer to register the click. When you click your mouse a certain way though, you can cause a "bouncing effect" where the mouse switches will register more than one electrical signal for a split second after you click your mouse. Some companies have gotten around this phenomenon by implementing a system called the "debounce delay" which will filter out the extra electrical signals. You can change how strict the filter is by modifying the debounce time. The higher it is set to, the more strict the filter.

Players are able to achieve higher CPS through double clicks when they lower the debounce time - reducing the filter's strictness.

The issue

Cubecraft has banned both double-clicking, and debounce modifying. This rule wasn't always around, until ~2 years ago when a player who goes by the name of STASI was suddenly banned for a month because they used "illegal modifications" by changing their debounce time.

Originally, this rule made sense, as Cubecraft had to consider other devices playing on the network (this was before input-based matchmaking), and they didn't want to allow PC players the advantage of using a special mouse feature - which mobile and console players cannot use. Now though, Cubecraft has input-based matchmaking. Players with a computer mouse go against other players with computer mice.

Most argue that "Changing your debounce is essentially using software to achieve higher CPS". This is true that you must use software to change debounce time, but you aren't using "cheating software" that is deliberately designed to exploit. The debounce slider is a feature in ALL SOFTWARE for gaming mice, made BY the company of the gaming mouse - not some third-party hacking client.

I would also like to take a moment to stop and really think about what debounce modifying really is. It is a FILTER to PREVENT clicks from occurring - not a slider to give you MORE clicks. Having your debounce slider at a high-strict setting is more of a handicap rather than a "normal occurrence". The filter itself is stopping legitimate electrical signals from being processed. It is NOT giving you MORE or LESS clicks. (This is not to be confused with a macro, which is software that multiplies a click after the signal is sent).

This argument is slightly weaker than the others, but I would still like to mention it. Nobody in the PvP/scrim community follows the debounce rule. Even new players that join Cubecraft for the first time will most likely have their debounce filter on a low setting. This happened recently with a YouTuber by the name of MontclairBear (147k subs) who uploaded a Cubecraft video for the first time a few days ago. The entire video is about him tellybridging/godbridging on Java 1.18 (godbridging requires a clicking method called dragclicking, which is only possible via a low-passive debounce filter). Unfortunately, I heard he is now banned from Java Cubecraft. Why did he use a low-passive debounce filter in his video in the first place? Because apart from Cubecraft, almost no other big PvP server restricts you from lowering your debounce. Hypixel for example allows debounce modification. Cubecraft is one of the only big PvP servers that prohibit low/passive debounce filtering.

Along with the last paragraph, reporting for double-clicking is practically impossible. Unless you have video evidence of the player's debounce slider at a low setting, there is not going to be enough proof to get someone punished. Players can simply argue that they were jitterclicking, or using another clicking method to achieve their CPS. For this reason too, almost everyone in the PvP community doubles.

Another argument I want to bring is that of "using hardware to give yourself an unfair advantage". If this really means what I think, then this can be generalized to "players are not allowed to use gaming mice on Cubecraft". The double-click phenomenon happens with every gaming mouse switch, this is not something that is only built into highly rare and expensive mice.

For my final argument, I want to go over "double-clicking is abusing your mouse's hardware to give yourself an advantage". Ok. So how is this any different from jitterclicking? If we are talking about a normal computer mouse, anything but normal clicking is technically abusing a mouse. There really is no difference whether you are jittering 18 cps or double-clicking 20 cps. It is all abusing your mouse to achieve more clicks per second in a block video game.

The solution

If Cubecraft is really concerned about high CPS, they should take the initiative themselves to add a CPS cap, not force each player to change a setting on their mouse's official software to filter out more CPS just to play on one server.

Thank you for reading if you've made it this far. Please try to keep an open mind about what I've said, and react to this post. This is also a slightly-heated topic, so, please do not start anything unnecessary.

Thanks.

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HQRR0R said:

Bor u argue with everyone in everything here,just chill out nobody even listens to the rule anyways,just cus u jitter 18 does not mean everyone can, sum ppl can't jitter lick and it's not skill,it's just luck if y can or not atleast butterfly clicking takes some skill and is actually fair for everyone

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HQRR0R said:

Why did bloody make a drag clicking mouse with bedless then buddy? Seems like u might be forgetting how many YouTubers get sponsored by roccat and bloody about double licking loll.

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pipiklatie said:

Banning these valueble creators who get new people to play cubecraft is not the right thing in my opinion. Since cubecraft java is allready having a rough time with its slowly decreasing number of active players banning the people who get players in the first place doesnt seem so smart in my opinion. This creator with 147k subs probably didnt even know drag clicking was not allowed as alot of new player dont know too. Yes, we have all agreed to the rules when first joining cubecraft but in the time they agreed to the rules all those years ago. They have no indication on what is and what is not allowed. I give the people who will say that this montclairbear had to be banned as he was giving spreading something that was not allowed.

For me and alot of other people we develop our skills in time. 8 years ago i started bridging like a noob. Each year i made more development in my skills. And after 6 years i had mastered alot of bridging methods so the logical next challenge to bridging was to practise godbridging which by cubecraft standerds is not allowed since it involvs dragclicking. This meant that i could not further develop my skills which for alot of people mean they will just stop playing the server since they will do it anyways and get banned.

Content creators is the main way of getting new players to your server on java edition. By reducing these people to this in my opinion limiting rule to the development of ourselves as a player (drag clicking rule). This will not help cubecraft gain players or make the players develop their skills. In my case i was able to godbridge with using dragclicking before the rule was added again which just felt like you removed a part of my body. The fact that that Montclairbear guy got banned for "unfair advantages" is what bothers me the most, you want people to not know cubecraft exists and just ban the content creators whilstnot even following their own rules that state that you can only use your own videos or screenshots to gain evidence on a player and report them. And what happend? He got banned because of his own clips... Seems like the server doesnt want new people to join and slowly keep dieing.

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pipiklatie said:

This creator with 147k subs probably didnt even know drag clicking was not allowed as alot of new player dont know too. Yes, we have all agreed to the rules when first joining cubecraft but in the time they agreed to the rules all those years ago.

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pipiklatie said:

i could not further develop my skills which for alot of people mean they will just stop playing the server since they will do it anyways and get banned.

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pipiklatie said:

. This will not help cubecraft gain players

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pipiklatie said:

i was able to godbridge with using dragclicking before the rule was added again which just felt like you removed a part of my body.

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pipiklatie said:

following their own rules that state that you can only use your own videos or screenshots to gain evidence on a player and report them.

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pipiklatie said:

And what happend? He got banned because of his own clips... Seems like the server doesnt want new people to join and slowly keep dieing.

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If you cheat you cheat, and you deserve the ban

And like everytime the cubecraft bot bans me it tells me this!

"Not knowing the rules does not make you exempt to punishments."

DarkStray said:

#1 Server Minecraft Bedrock Edition

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DarkStray said:

And personally, saying “this won’t bring players to the server” is kind of stupid, because if we let the big youtuber cheat and drag click. What are all his viewers going to do? Cheat and drag click!

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RelatedNoobs said:

*Please read the entire post before voting, as I will be going over supporting arguments*

We will be talking about the rule:

Spoiler: Rule 1.3 Clicking Methods

The use of autoclickers, macros, mapping your click button to your mouse wheel, dragclicking, using multiple mice, or using a mouse that registers double clicks is not allowed. Also modifying your mouse's click function in any way via software or hardware is considered cheating and will result in a cheating ban.

1.3 - Clicking Methods​

What is debounce / double-clicking?

Double-clicking is a method of clicking a mouse that registers multiple inputs per one physical input on a mouse. For example, when you click once, two clicks register in-game rather than one. This is WITHOUT the use of ANY software or macros. How exactly does a double click work? A computer mouse registers a click usually by physical contact. It sends an electrical signal to your computer to register the click. When you click your mouse a certain way though, you can cause a "bouncing effect" where the mouse switches will register more than one electrical signal for a split second after you click your mouse. Some companies have gotten around this phenomenon by implementing a system called the "debounce delay" which will filter out the extra electrical signals. You can change how strict the filter is by modifying the debounce time. The higher it is set to, the more strict the filter.

Players are able to achieve higher CPS through double clicks when they lower the debounce time - reducing the filter's strictness.

The issue

Cubecraft has banned both double-clicking, and debounce modifying. This rule wasn't always around, until ~2 years ago when a player who goes by the name of STASI was suddenly banned for a month because they used "illegal modifications" by changing their debounce time.

Originally, this rule made sense, as Cubecraft had to consider other devices playing on the network (this was before input-based matchmaking), and they didn't want to allow PC players the advantage of using a special mouse feature - which mobile and console players cannot use. Now though, Cubecraft has input-based matchmaking. Players with a computer mouse go against other players with computer mice.

Most argue that "Changing your debounce is essentially using software to achieve higher CPS". This is true that you must use software to change debounce time, but you aren't using "cheating software" that is deliberately designed to exploit. The debounce slider is a feature in ALL SOFTWARE for gaming mice, made BY the company of the gaming mouse - not some third-party hacking client.

I would also like to take a moment to stop and really think about what debounce modifying really is. It is a FILTER to PREVENT clicks from occurring - not a slider to give you MORE clicks. Having your debounce slider at a high-strict setting is more of a handicap rather than a "normal occurrence". The filter itself is stopping legitimate electrical signals from being processed. It is NOT giving you MORE or LESS clicks. (This is not to be confused with a macro, which is software that multiplies a click after the signal is sent).

This argument is slightly weaker than the others, but I would still like to mention it. Nobody in the PvP/scrim community follows the debounce rule. Even new players that join Cubecraft for the first time will most likely have their debounce filter on a low setting. This happened recently with a YouTuber by the name of MontclairBear (147k subs) who uploaded a Cubecraft video for the first time a few days ago. The entire video is about him tellybridging/godbridging on Java 1.18 (godbridging requires a clicking method called dragclicking, which is only possible via a low-passive debounce filter). Unfortunately, I heard he is now banned from Java Cubecraft. Why did he use a low-passive debounce filter in his video in the first place? Because apart from Cubecraft, almost no other big PvP server restricts you from lowering your debounce. Hypixel for example allows debounce modification. Cubecraft is one of the only big PvP servers that prohibit low/passive debounce filtering.

Along with the last paragraph, reporting for double-clicking is practically impossible. Unless you have video evidence of the player's debounce slider at a low setting, there is not going to be enough proof to get someone punished. Players can simply argue that they were jitterclicking, or using another clicking method to achieve their CPS. For this reason too, almost everyone in the PvP community doubles.

Another argument I want to bring is that of "using hardware to give yourself an unfair advantage". If this really means what I think, then this can be generalized to "players are not allowed to use gaming mice on Cubecraft". The double-click phenomenon happens with every gaming mouse switch, this is not something that is only built into highly rare and expensive mice.

For my final argument, I want to go over "double-clicking is abusing your mouse's hardware to give yourself an advantage". Ok. So how is this any different from jitterclicking? If we are talking about a normal computer mouse, anything but normal clicking is technically abusing a mouse. There really is no difference whether you are jittering 18 cps or double-clicking 20 cps. It is all abusing your mouse to achieve more clicks per second in a block video game.

The solution

If Cubecraft is really concerned about high CPS, they should take the initiative themselves to add a CPS cap, not force each player to change a setting on their mouse's official software to filter out more CPS just to play on one server.

Thank you for reading if you've made it this far. Please try to keep an open mind about what I've said, and react to this post. This is also a slightly-heated topic, so, please do not start anything unnecessary.

Thanks.

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Breaad_ said:

It isn't a cheat, you're literally just adjusting a setting

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RelatedNoobs said:

I am getting tired of replying to you because we are just going in circles at this point. I have given responses to all of your arguments but you keep bringing up the same two things. I am not going to reply to accusations you have already voiced so far.

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RelatedNoobs said:

Already dealt with this argument.

Why do they let you have a debounce slider if it's unintended? If they were really concerned about this "malfunction" they would either keep the debounce filter on all the time or invest in better switches for future mice.

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RelatedNoobs said:

As I see it, you keep bringing up the same arguments that I have already addressed. If these two arguments are the only things you can bring to the table against my suggestion, I think it's time to stop trying or find something I have not replied to yet.

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