Vampire vs. Cannibal kits in SG

[Bob_the_Giraffe]

I have already posted a thread about this but now I have something else to bring up to people's awareness. When hardcore is selected in Survival Games, you used to be able to "eat" dead bodies while using cannibal kit to get 2 1/2 hearts back but that was removed since "it's hardcore and you shouldn't get regen health" (aside from health potions and gold apples in Normal/Op items) but when you take the vampire kit, you will get regen off kills. This completely goes against the main goal of hardcore health and makes me wonder what the staff are really thinking? Why would you remove the option to "eat" a dead body after killing someone to get a few hearts of health which was the ONLY USE of the cannibal kit in hardcore (because saturation doesn't even work) but leave the regen after getting a kill with vampire kit. If the cannibal eating bodies for regen doesn't work I believe Vampire shouldn't regen either.

 

[lil naz x]

I agree with this as I play with the Vampire kit on hardcore and from time to time some people think that I am "health hacking". So maybe nerf the vampire kit?

 

[CommunistCactus]

Either block both or allow both. Only one of them is idiotic.

 

[KidBit]

I agree with you Bawby
They should just stop the regen on both the Vampire and Cannable kit

 

[Bob_the_Giraffe]

I agree with this as I play with the Vampire kit on hardcore and from time to time some people think that I am "health hacking". So maybe nerf the vampire kit?

Exactly! I either suggest they bring back the ability to eat bodies with the Cannibal kit or nerf the Vampire Kit. They nerfed one of the two kits which more or less had the same use. So either have none of them work or both!

 

[Tacosbefriends]

Exactly! I either suggest they bring back the ability to eat bodies with the Cannibal kit or nerf the Vampire Kit. They nerfed one of the two kits which more or less had the same use. So either have none of them work or both!

How about we remove vampire's regen, but add night vision to vampire so it's not entirely worthless in hardcore health?

 

[betty's oldies]

How about we remove vampire's regen, but add night vision to vampire so it's not entirely worthless in hardcore health?

If that's not meant to be taken sarcastically then no. Night vision is next to useless in this mode.

Here's an alternative: include gold in chests to allow players to make gapples and/or have a very low chance to include gapples in chests in hardcore HP mode. Bodies are still edible -- I tested this last weekend without cannibal and it still worked.

 

[Injunction]

now I would dismiss this and say they have reason if it weren't for the fact that you shouldn't be able to get health back from 1 kit in the case of it not supposed to be doable
I would say that it should be changed and according to tacos it likely will be
I understand the cannible kit which normally heals you only because you are at full hunger of course natural regeneration is off so it can't heal you however and this is why I would normally dismiss it is that the Vampire kit heals you with the effect
Therefore they couldn't change the cannible kit to heal you in Hardcore health without removing the while premise of hardcore health or the cannible kit itself

 

[Bob_the_Giraffe]

How about we remove vampire's regen, but add night vision to vampire so it's not entirely worthless in hardcore health?

That sounds like a good alternative! But last time I "ate" a body with cannibal in UHC it didn't give saturation at all, so that should also be looked at.

 

[Bob_the_Giraffe]

now I would dismiss this and say they have reason if it weren't for the fact that you shouldn't be able to get health back from 1 kit in the case of it not supposed to be doable
I would say that it should be changed and according to tacos it likely will be
I understand the cannible kit which normally heals you only because you are at full hunger of course natural regeneration is off so it can't heal you however and this is why I would normally dismiss it is that the Vampire kit heals you with the effect
Therefore they couldn't change the cannible kit to heal you in Hardcore health without removing the while premise of hardcore health or the cannible kit itself

With cannibal, you used to "eat" dead bodies and get 2 1/2 hearts back just as if you got a kill with Vampire on Hardcore. The thing is that it was removed with cannibal but regen is still possible on Hardcore.

 

[Injunction]

With cannibal, you used to "eat" dead bodies and get 2 1/2 hearts back just as if you got a kill with Vampire on Hardcore. The thing is that it was removed with cannibal but regen is still possible on Hardcore.

You don't directly get health with cannibal you get fully saturated which in turn heals you (That may have been the case before but unless it is a bug for you it doesn't give actual health it just saturates you thus you get health)

 

[Bob_the_Giraffe]

You don't directly get health with cannibal you get fully saturated which in turn heals you (That may have been the case before but unless it is a bug for you it doesn't give actual health it just saturates you thus you get health)

You used to be able to right click bodies and get health regen, NOT EVERYONE knew that this was possible. You clearly didn't know that this was possible in HARDCORE health but it was and was taken away recently.

 

[InfernoCFC]

Vampire without regen is completely useless so just keep both

 

[Bob_the_Giraffe]

Vampire without regen is completely useless so just keep both

Hardcore is made so there's no health regen though.

 

[Story]

It's because of the way it's programmed. The server is being told that you cannot 'regenerate' health, so when cannibal gives you full hunger it doesn't regenerate, that's just the way Minecraft's mechanics were programmed. However, vampire is told to give health not to regenerate it, it says in it's description that it gives health regeneration when it doesn't. That's the problem.

The way this can be perfectly fixed is by changing Vampire to regenerate health instead of giving instant health. This way it doesn't work in Hardcore.

Plus this:

add night vision to vampire so it's not entirely worthless in hardcore health?

 

[Cyqni]

Hardcore is made so there's no health regen though.

And a kit is made to give you certain advantages. Imo, both should stay.

 

[InfernoCFC]

Hardcore is made so there's no health regen though.

who cares?

 

[CommunistCactus]

who cares?

People with skill

 

[InfernoCFC]

People with skill

Are you saying I'm not skilled?

You chose the wrong person to mess with

 

[betty's oldies]

Hardcore is made so there's no health regen though.

No normal regen but there should always have a way to regenerate health in hardcore.