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I would've liked if the punch bows are 12 diamonds like in the past. That was better imo. 25 is alot though. I know it's pretty good to use and I understand. They updated it to 25 dia in 2017 I think which was okay for some people, but Power Bows are just useless in Overpowerd. You also can use a shield.
 

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Yes, shields can be useful against this, but only in Java edition (sorry, I don´t know the original prefix, now it is escalated), but in Bedrock there are no shields in EggWars, and it is so long and hard to fight against someone with punch bow, because the punch level is too big. And an enderpearl costs 64 diamonds in normal. So yes, shield can be useful, but not for 10 000 (in average) online players in Bedrock EggWars
 

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How am I supposed to counter an unfair bow? I am not the most skilled EggWars player, and after preparing to fight someone getting just bowed off can be such an annoyance. Not everyone that plays EggWars is a tryhard and can always be looking out for every little detail.
You play minecraft for about 10 mins, gather enough knowledge to know that a 10 diamond shield counters a bow. Boom easy fix

There are millions of ways to counter a bow, the bow isn't the issue, it's mainly the player not adapting himself to his environment.
 

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You play minecraft for about 10 mins, gather enough knowledge to know that a 10 diamond shield counters a bow. Boom easy fix

There are millions of ways to counter a bow, the bow isn't the issue, it's mainly the player not adapting himself to his environment.
I disagree, but see your point. It is just an annoyance to not be able to fight enemy’s but instead just try not to be killed by their bow. I’ve seen so many complaints about this and every time someone in my game gets a punch bow everyone seems to be annoyed.
Why is a thread with 10 Yes votes and 21 No votes escalated... Clearly, the community doesn’t like the idea.
When I escalated the thread it had more upvotes then downvotes. Plus I had seen a lot of complaints when playing EggWars the other day, so the non-forums community may agree as well. However escalation does not mean implementation and it’s unlikely that this will be added.
 
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I completely disagree with this. Punchbows are annoying but they are a part of the game. There are many ways to prevent it like buying shields. When games take longer you can buy enderpearls or make an anti knockback bridge.
 

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I understand that punch bows are apart of the game, due to being another strategy. However, instead of it being removed, since I think that is completely unfair, it should be changed to an Emerald bought item.

A punch bow can be bought for only 25 diamonds, yet completely void anyone in sight or prevent them from getting close to kill you, if you do not have a shield or a pearl. I have been caught in many situations where I have not had access to a villager to buy said items, yet I cannot get to the person to try and kill them due to the bow, as well as them refusing to come close to me. This is a perfectly good strategy, it only becomes difficult when there is no access to try and counter the bows.

Also, there are very few items bought using the Emerald Generator, so moving some items to be apart of the Emerald store would create more use for this Generator. I think by doing this, it would create a balance of making it a little more difficult to earn the bow, yet keeping it in the game where it is possible to receive this item. To keep the fairness, all the items to counter bows should be moved to the Emerald Generator too.

This is only a concept of mine to keep the best of both worlds in this discussion.
 

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I can agree with everyone who disagreed with this thread. And by a long shot

The punch bow is far from an extremely overpowered item in the game, considering placing blocks behind you/in front of you makes it useless. (As the arrows can't reach you/deal more kb than the distance between you and the blocks). The bow itself is an excellent friend of you when you can use them yourself, it's cost isn't that low either: being the same as a diamond sword and 2 pieces of iron gear; 2 notches and an iron chest plate. Those items could in some cases be way more useful than a bow.

I spent 15 minutes farming materials just to get hit once and knocked off
15min farming on a lvl three diamond gen gives you 360 diamonds. I'm not sure what you were thinking that you'd be running that close to an edge with that amount of diamonds after 15 minutes, which is more than enough time to get a punch bow. It wouldn't be bold to say that it just your fault and not some unbeatable way too overpowered item. I assume the same would have happened if a leather dude sneaked behind your back and hit you once (or twice since you have high ping)?

How am I supposed to counter an unfair bow? I am not the most skilled EggWars player, and after preparing to fight someone getting just bowed off can be such an annoyance. Not everyone that plays EggWars is a tryhard and can always be looking out for every little detail.
You're not countering "an unfair bow," you're simply playing late game Eggwars, in which if you don't assume that everyone else might have a bow and has the time to farm, it just shows a lack of experience on your part and not that bows are Op. There's no "insane trick" or skill that you need to learn to realize that punch bows are a part of pretty much every long Eggwars game, and they have been for years. And if you can't always "be looking out for every little detail" I have a small suggestion for you- if it's been more than 15 (especially if those 15min were just farming), people very likely have a bow.
I am completely aware how annoying bows can be but since I read this:
Having to face a person who just spams a punch bow isn't exactly fun
No, it isn't. That being said "bow spamming" is NOT close to being the biggest issues with bows xHakan is :banter: , but someone who really knows how to use a bow is far more dangerous than the casual Alex and Steve running around thinking a bow works like a machine gun.


I'm not sure how one joins Team Eggwars and thinks a fight will consist of both players hitting each other with a sword (or melee combat for the players who think axes work in the long run.) Eggwars is the fairest game there is assuming no one has the prison cage everyone starts with the same materials and has the same chance (without taking skill into account) to gather more (this is all, apart from some design mistakes, I'll be making a thread about this with @Elaad). The game is based on skill and mistakes made by yourself and the enemy. Claiming a weapon is overpowered because it costs too little is quite weird as everyone had the same chance to gain the necessary resources. That being said, the weapon is quite a powerful weapon and having it priced higher than a one run to mid is excellent as it makes the player either take the risk of staying in mid-longer and flee the battlefield and camp the diamond gen at home. Which makes them vulnerable to attacks from those who did farm mid and now have better gear.

Some other remarks made in the thread,
but Power Bows are just useless in Overpowerd.
Well no absolutely not, a power 5 bow might even be more dangerous than a punch bow. It one-shots naked players and 3-4 shots leather armoured ones. Underused, underrated and unexpected, but definitely not useless!
Plus I had seen a lot of complaints when playing EggWars the other day, so the non-forums community may agree as well
Undoubtedly those with less than a day playtime in Eggwars who are also annoyed when a tryhard builds faster than 2 blocks/second.


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15min farming on a lvl three diamond gen gives you 360 diamonds. I'm not sure what you were thinking that you'd be running that close to an edge with that amount of diamonds after 15 minutes, which is more than enough time to get a punch bow. It wouldn't be bold to say that it just your fault and not some unbeatable way too overpowered item. I assume the same would have happened if a leather dude sneaked behind your back and hit you once (or twice since you have high ping)?
Was an exaggeration about 15 minutes I didn’t have a timer, I had only farmed a level 2 diamond gen for enough to get 1 and a half sets of iron armor (a necessity). And I did have blocks behind me, after clutching the first hit I had placed blocks behind me. However I was still being spammed at this point before I could even place blocks to the sides or in front of me. A normal bow is a good enough help if you know how to use it right, you don’t need a bow that shoots everyone back 5000 blocks. Your argument about the person with leather armor doesn’t make sense either, as I could fight back with that. I was nowhere near them and was just being spammed off the edge with no deliberate chance to protect myself. I shouldn’t be forced to have to buy a shield every game either as this was early game and since punch bows are so cheap they were able to get it before I could realistically afford it.
 
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i have to say, its funny to hear some people complain about punch bows being a thing, while they are okey with rushing and stuff. they're both a tactic, so it wouldnt be fair to remove the bow
 
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How can it be early game if you've farmed diamonds for 15 minutes (or 10 if you exaggerated, but still)
Was like 10 minutes into the game I’m not very good at keeping my egg xD
Anyways, I escalated the idea of raising the price of the punch bow as people pointed out you can counter it. The issue I saw was being able to get a punch bow early game before other people can get an shield or an ender pearl.
 
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Was an exaggeration about 15 minutes I didn’t have a timer, I had only farmed a level 2 diamond gen for enough to get 1 and a half sets of iron armor (a necessity). And I did have blocks behind me, after clutching the first hit I had placed blocks behind me. However I was still being spammed at this point before I could even place blocks to the sides or in front of me. A normal bow is a good enough help if you know how to use it right, you don’t need a bow that shoots everyone back 5000 blocks. Your argument about the person with leather armor doesn’t make sense either, as I could fight back with that. I was nowhere near them and was just being spammed off the edge with no deliberate chance to protect myself. I shouldn’t be forced to have to buy a shield every game either as this was early game and since punch bows are so cheap they were able to get it before I could realistically afford it.
The same could be said about obsidian. I shouldn't be forced to buy a diamond pickaxe with 5 gold to break their egg. I could better spend it on 1 almost 2 gapples.
Was like 10 minutes into the game I’m not very good at keeping my egg xD
Anyways, I escalated the idea of raising the price of the punch bow as people pointed out you can counter it. The issue I saw was being able to get a punch bow early game before other people can get an shield or an ender pearl.
If they can spend 25 diamonds on a bow I'm sure you can spend 10 on a shield or farm a little longer and buy a pealr
 

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How am I supposed to counter an unfair bow? I am not the most skilled EggWars player, and after preparing to fight someone getting just bowed off can be such an annoyance. Not everyone that plays EggWars is a tryhard and can always be looking out for every little detail.
Enderpearls and shields. Build blocks so you can’t be bowed off. Take tnt with you so the can’t bow easily. Use emeralds to get potions of strength or jump boost. Enderpearl sneaky so you can bow the campers off. There are dozens of ways to counter it.

I just don’t agree with putting a cooldown on something just bc people are good in something. What’s next? Putting a cooldown on criticals?
 
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Yes, I heard all the points of people who voted no, but do you think that it is possible to go on a bridge that is miraculously made just the right way by luck and has gaps between it to protect from snipers? And I don't think there will be enough time to place blocks in front of you if a camper from the second or third floor from the (Eggwars mega) map Fallen can take you down with one or two shots. Also, if the sniper is on your side (Right/Left), it will be hard to place a block if the bridge is only one block wide. At least a cooldown might have some effect...

Edit-I know there already is a cooldown, but if that does not get implemented, then how about increasing the price of the bow?
 
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Enderpearls and shields. Build blocks so you can’t be bowed off. Take tnt with you so the can’t bow easily. Use emeralds to get potions of strength or jump boost. Enderpearl sneaky so you can bow the campers off. There are dozens of ways to counter it.

I just don’t agree with putting a cooldown on something just bc people are good in something. What’s next? Putting a cooldown on criticals?
And also, if the only thing some people are good at is camping with a punch one bow, game modes like duels, FFA, and ranked game modes (something like that) can be used to increase PVP skills. Also, enderpearls cost way too much, and I think that I had posted in a thread to reduce the cost of it. But until then, I think you can bear with the fact that you cant just buy enderpearls if you only have one diamond gen which is level 3 only between or near the game, considering that your teammates might be camping it. The same might not be the case for Eggwars mega, but if Overpowered items are voted, then you must know that everyone will want that prot 4 diamond gear.
 
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Use wall builders to make a safe bridge. There are so many options to counter bow spammers. I find 64 dia dia for a pearl not that expensive. Just upgrade mid or something. If you got problems with your teammates camping the gens, try to find decent teammates to play with. Imo your teammates seems to be the real problem, not the bowspammers
 
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