All Networks Bedrock "Drag" appeals are way too easy to fake

[Drqmqticc]

Hello there!
Please read the whole post before replying
Ban appeals in themselves are a great thing to the game, as they add a second chance to everyone who gets banned. They have the chance to prove themselves and explain why they should be unbanned. However there are many problems with the current appeal system.. Its way too easy to fake an appeal
Right now the appeal system works like this:
If you are banned for macro / auto clicking, you send a video of you drag clicking in a creative world and/or on Zeqa clutch practice and boom. Unbanned.

The current problems all together are:

• The standard is low

The standards of drag clicking has really fallen low, as they will accept pretty much the lowest of low. I have myself seen some appeals that were really bad somehow being accepted.

• Overwhelming amount of reports

There are so many reports for auto clicking / macro and the staff team seems to have given up, so they start to accept just about anything so they can get through all the reports.

• Faked appeals

Its become easier and easier to appeal your ban. Its being done like this: one of your friends is a legit drag clicker so you ask them to make a video for you, and then you pass that along to the moderators who obviously sees someone legit dragging and the player (who cant drag) gets unbanned and can continue to auto on the server. Even worse is they can now claim they have already appealed before so there is no point in reporting them, leading to fewer reports against the player.

• Alt accounts are a huge problem

Need i say more? The fact that this game is now free has made servers become a prime target for hackers, as both the server and the game is free. The problem is that people who alt just uses a vpn to get to another ip address and can bypass any ban letting them hack away until they are banned. And the process is done over and over again
The biggest problems with alt accounts is that, absolutely nothing can be done against them (Although the IP ban timer is way too short and should last longer in my opinion). The game is free and so is the server.

What can we even do?

• A more practical appeal system

They in theory could make a more practical way of appealing auto clicking. a possible solution could be a vc with the banned player screensharing them on their main account drag clicking and doing it well enough to the point it looks like the report. The player appealing should also be screensharing from their main discord account which has their banned account linked to the discord account. That way we could filter out people trying to cheat the system. A slacking appeal with barely any good drag clicking should NOT be accepted if it doesn't match up to the in-game clutches.
Now if the player who is appealing their ban isn't having a good day with their drag clicking due to, sweating, being nervous etc. they should get a second chance some other day and if unsuccessful there, then they probably can't drag click.

• Moderation has to be better

Currently some moderators allow even the worst of the worst appeals. No hate towards mods at all, as I'm sure they have a bunch of appeals and reports to look through, but they really should take more time to approve appeals, or have more people screenshare their drag clicking.

• A simple solution

Ban drag clicking. Hear me out. There has been so much controversy around this, and there are many arguments for it, such as, mobile players cant compete nor can controller players and its leading to many problems within the community. Well what if we just outright banned it? Would that really be so bad. I mean many of the problems in this post would be solved, it would also make the game way more pvp skill based, and games that would usually last forever because of infinite clutches, now will take much less time. (Thinking of snipes here, like uchiha's megas stream or ullo's squad snipes)

• CPS cap!

If banning drag clicking is going too far, then how about a cps cap? This would allow for clutches whilst not entirely extending games to beyond infinity. A cps cap of 25 should be enough to tell auto clickers apart from the rest. And yes i do know they can just set an auto to 25 cps, but we cant make things perfect.

Do you have any good solutions or feedback? Please let me know!
If we want any kind of response from the cc staff team we have to push this out to them. They have to see it for it to make any kind of impact! Any feedback on this would be of great use!
Take care everybody <3

 

[Ryu龍🐉]

I agree with this. Especially the banning drag part. Everything was so much more skill-based back when drag was still banned, I'd love to go back to that time. I'm obviously not saying that's the main issue this post is targetting. A lot can be done better in the reporting and appeal systems and even by moderation itself. I understand mods don't have all the time in the world to critically look at every appeal, but WAY too many cheaters slip through the cracks.

 

[Tatsu]

Maybe another suggestion could be linking appeals to verified accounts in some way. For example, requiring the player to appeal using their main Discord (linked to their Minecraft account). That could discourage using Alt accounts to avoid bans.

 

[MrSpacee]

I don't think that Cube should ban drag clicking, however I agree with your other ideas

 

[GG KING 1234576]

no cube not baning drag clickers. same i agree with your other ideas too

 

[tacoman222xx]

Hmm overall I agree and it's a really big problem (the autoclickers posing as drag clickers) but I have a few points of criticism.

The player appealing should also be screensharing from their main discord account which has their banned account linked to the discord account.

Not everyone has discord, I don't think CC should require players to use a different app that many people don't have or don't want to have. And, they would have to make a whole roster of appointments with players, and it would create lots of hassle of trying to get discord to work and everything and poeple not having time at proposed moments. CC staff are already busy and this would really make appealing 10x longer.

one of your friends is a legit drag clicker so you ask them to make a video for you, and then you pass that along to the moderators who obviously sees someone legit dragging and the player (who cant drag) gets unbanned and can continue to auto on the server.

I definitely think the video should have you show your IGN to prove it's not stock footage of dragging, but there is the problem of account sharing. We would need to find a solution to that, idk what.

A cps cap of 25

Yeaa simple easy solution. Kinda what I've been asking for this whole time. Just allow up to e.g. 25 like you say and filter out all other clicks. Butterfly coulddddd reach 25 and drag does too, so it makes autoclicking a bit more obsolete as it gives less of an advantage.

 

[L1kii]

Hmm overall I agree and it's a really big problem (the autoclickers posing as drag clickers) but I have a few points of criticism.

Not everyone has discord, I don't think CC should require players to use a different app that many people don't have or don't want to have. And, they would have to make a whole roster of appointments with players, and it would create lots of hassle of trying to get discord to work and everything and poeple not having time at proposed moments. CC staff are already busy and this would really make appealing 10x longer.

I definitely think the video should have you show your IGN to prove it's not stock footage of dragging, but there is the problem of account sharing. We would need to find a solution to that, idk what.

Yeaa simple easy solution. Kinda what I've been asking for this whole time. Just allow up to e.g. 25 like you say and filter out all other clicks. Butterfly coulddddd reach 25 and drag does too, so it makes autoclicking a bit more obsolete as it gives less of an advantage.

cps of 25 is to high, put it to 15 like on the other button and kick from server when its going over it. 15 is more then enough, mobile or controller player cant get more. Just make it fair for all devices.

 

[tacoman222xx]

cps of 25 is to high, put it to 15 like on the other button and kick from server when its going over it. 15 is more then enough, mobile or controller player cant get more. Just make it fair for all devices

If we are opting for allowing drag clicks, I'd rather have a cap than a kick due to the fact that a drag can go over 15 quite easily. But if we were to decide on banning drag, a kick is better. 25 was just a number and 15 could be better, I'm not rooting for one number specifically.

 

[Endermanxbox479]

Hello there!
Please read the whole post before replying
Ban appeals in themselves are a great thing to the game, as they add a second chance to everyone who gets banned. They have the chance to prove themselves and explain why they should be unbanned. However there are many problems with the current appeal system.. Its way too easy to fake an appeal
Right now the appeal system works like this:
If you are banned for macro / auto clicking, you send a video of you drag clicking in a creative world and/or on Zeqa clutch practice and boom. Unbanned.

The current problems all together are:

• The standard is low

The standards of drag clicking has really fallen low, as they will accept pretty much the lowest of low. I have myself seen some appeals that were really bad somehow being accepted.

• Overwhelming amount of reports

There are so many reports for auto clicking / macro and the staff team seems to have given up, so they start to accept just about anything so they can get through all the reports.

• Faked appeals

Its become easier and easier to appeal your ban. Its being done like this: one of your friends is a legit drag clicker so you ask them to make a video for you, and then you pass that along to the moderators who obviously sees someone legit dragging and the player (who cant drag) gets unbanned and can continue to auto on the server. Even worse is they can now claim they have already appealed before so there is no point in reporting them, leading to fewer reports against the player.

• Alt accounts are a huge problem

Need i say more? The fact that this game is now free has made servers become a prime target for hackers, as both the server and the game is free. The problem is that people who alt just uses a vpn to get to another ip address and can bypass any ban letting them hack away until they are banned. And the process is done over and over again
The biggest problems with alt accounts is that, absolutely nothing can be done against them (Although the IP ban timer is way too short and should last longer in my opinion). The game is free and so is the server.

What can we even do?

• A more practical appeal system

They in theory could make a more practical way of appealing auto clicking. a possible solution could be a vc with the banned player screensharing them on their main account drag clicking and doing it well enough to the point it looks like the report. The player appealing should also be screensharing from their main discord account which has their banned account linked to the discord account. That way we could filter out people trying to cheat the system. A slacking appeal with barely any good drag clicking should NOT be accepted if it doesn't match up to the in-game clutches.
Now if the player who is appealing their ban isn't having a good day with their drag clicking due to, sweating, being nervous etc. they should get a second chance some other day and if unsuccessful there, then they probably can't drag click.

• Moderation has to be better

Currently some moderators allow even the worst of the worst appeals. No hate towards mods at all, as I'm sure they have a bunch of appeals and reports to look through, but they really should take more time to approve appeals, or have more people screenshare their drag clicking.

• A simple solution

Ban drag clicking. Hear me out. There has been so much controversy around this, and there are many arguments for it, such as, mobile players cant compete nor can controller players and its leading to many problems within the community. Well what if we just outright banned it? Would that really be so bad. I mean many of the problems in this post would be solved, it would also make the game way more pvp skill based, and games that would usually last forever because of infinite clutches, now will take much less time. (Thinking of snipes here, like uchiha's megas stream or ullo's squad snipes)

• CPS cap!

If banning drag clicking is going too far, then how about a cps cap? This would allow for clutches whilst not entirely extending games to beyond infinity. A cps cap of 25 should be enough to tell auto clickers apart from the rest. And yes i do know they can just set an auto to 25 cps, but we cant make things perfect.

Do you have any good solutions or feedback? Please let me know!
If we want any kind of response from the cc staff team we have to push this out to them. They have to see it for it to make any kind of impact! Any feedback on this would be of great use!
Take care everybody <3

VC is a dumb idea, moderators are just volunteers who don't get paid and it's already hard to go through all those reports/appeals. They basically won't have time for this unless Cubecraft will start paying them at least something.

Imo to reduce amount of people alting they should just implement the system of putting low lvl people with low lvl people and high lvl people with high lvl people.

 

[Eli]

No to the voice chat idea, nobody has time for that, and nobody wants to find themselves in a voice chat with a player you’ve banned, people can be unnecessarily uncomfortable or rude. Yes to all of your other options!

 

[GG KING 1234576]

Hmm overall I agree and it's a really big problem (the autoclickers posing as drag clickers) but I have a few points of criticism.

Not everyone has discord, I don't think CC should require players to use a different app that many people don't have or don't want to have. And, they would have to make a whole roster of appointments with players, and it would create lots of hassle of trying to get discord to work and everything and poeple not having time at proposed moments. CC staff are already busy and this would really make appealing 10x longer.

I definitely think the video should have you show your IGN to prove it's not stock footage of dragging, but there is the problem of account sharing. We would need to find a solution to that, idk what.

Yeaa simple easy solution. Kinda what I've been asking for this whole time. Just allow up to e.g. 25 like you say and filter out all other clicks. Butterfly coulddddd reach 25 and drag does too, so it makes autoclicking a bit more obsolete as it gives less of an advantage.

if he autocliking he will ban in 1 second

 

[tacoman222xx]

if he autocliking he will ban in 1 second

Lol no that is just completely not true

 

[tCombo]

if he autocliking he will ban in 1 second

Not necessarily. The CPS limiter kicks anyone who is over a certain amount of CPS for a sustained period of time. Autoclickers may also just put their settings lower than the CPS limiter so that they do not get banned. This somewhat reduces the advantage of autoclickers from having 100 cps down to 15. However the system could be improved to entirely remove autoclickers from the server