All Networks Bedrock "Drag" appeals are way too easy to fake

[Drqmqticc]

Hello there!
Please read the whole post before replying
Ban appeals in themselves are a great thing to the game, as they add a second chance to everyone who gets banned. They have the chance to prove themselves and explain why they should be unbanned. However there are many problems with the current appeal system.. Its way too easy to fake an appeal
Right now the appeal system works like this:
If you are banned for macro / auto clicking, you send a video of you drag clicking in a creative world and/or on Zeqa clutch practice and boom. Unbanned.

The current problems all together are:

• The standard is low

The standards of drag clicking has really fallen low, as they will accept pretty much the lowest of low. I have myself seen some appeals that were really bad somehow being accepted.

• Overwhelming amount of reports

There are so many reports for auto clicking / macro and the staff team seems to have given up, so they start to accept just about anything so they can get through all the reports.

• Faked appeals

Its become easier and easier to appeal your ban. Its being done like this: one of your friends is a legit drag clicker so you ask them to make a video for you, and then you pass that along to the moderators who obviously sees someone legit dragging and the player (who cant drag) gets unbanned and can continue to auto on the server. Even worse is they can now claim they have already appealed before so there is no point in reporting them, leading to fewer reports against the player.

• Alt accounts are a huge problem

Need i say more? The fact that this game is now free has made servers become a prime target for hackers, as both the server and the game is free. The problem is that people who alt just uses a vpn to get to another ip address and can bypass any ban letting them hack away until they are banned. And the process is done over and over again
The biggest problems with alt accounts is that, absolutely nothing can be done against them (Although the IP ban timer is way too short and should last longer in my opinion). The game is free and so is the server.

What can we even do?

• A more practical appeal system

They in theory could make a more practical way of appealing auto clicking. a possible solution could be a vc with the banned player screensharing them on their main account drag clicking and doing it well enough to the point it looks like the report. The player appealing should also be screensharing from their main discord account which has their banned account linked to the discord account. That way we could filter out people trying to cheat the system. A slacking appeal with barely any good drag clicking should NOT be accepted if it doesn't match up to the in-game clutches.
Now if the player who is appealing their ban isn't having a good day with their drag clicking due to, sweating, being nervous etc. they should get a second chance some other day and if unsuccessful there, then they probably can't drag click.

• Moderation has to be better

Currently some moderators allow even the worst of the worst appeals. No hate towards mods at all, as I'm sure they have a bunch of appeals and reports to look through, but they really should take more time to approve appeals, or have more people screenshare their drag clicking.

• A simple solution

Ban drag clicking. Hear me out. There has been so much controversy around this, and there are many arguments for it, such as, mobile players cant compete nor can controller players and its leading to many problems within the community. Well what if we just outright banned it? Would that really be so bad. I mean many of the problems in this post would be solved, it would also make the game way more pvp skill based, and games that would usually last forever because of infinite clutches, now will take much less time. (Thinking of snipes here, like uchiha's megas stream or ullo's squad snipes)

• CPS cap!

If banning drag clicking is going too far, then how about a cps cap? This would allow for clutches whilst not entirely extending games to beyond infinity. A cps cap of 25 should be enough to tell auto clickers apart from the rest. And yes i do know they can just set an auto to 25 cps, but we cant make things perfect.

Do you have any good solutions or feedback? Please let me know!
If we want any kind of response from the cc staff team we have to push this out to them. They have to see it for it to make any kind of impact! Any feedback on this would be of great use!
Take care everybody <3

 

[Ryu龍🐉]

I agree with this. Especially the banning drag part. Everything was so much more skill-based back when drag was still banned, I'd love to go back to that time. I'm obviously not saying that's the main issue this post is targetting. A lot can be done better in the reporting and appeal systems and even by moderation itself. I understand mods don't have all the time in the world to critically look at every appeal, but WAY too many cheaters slip through the cracks.

 

[Tatsu]

Maybe another suggestion could be linking appeals to verified accounts in some way. For example, requiring the player to appeal using their main Discord (linked to their Minecraft account). That could discourage using Alt accounts to avoid bans.

 

[MrSpacee]

I don't think that Cube should ban drag clicking, however I agree with your other ideas

 

[GG KING 1234576]

no cube not baning drag clickers. same i agree with your other ideas too

 

[tacoman222xx]

Hmm overall I agree and it's a really big problem (the autoclickers posing as drag clickers) but I have a few points of criticism.

The player appealing should also be screensharing from their main discord account which has their banned account linked to the discord account.

Not everyone has discord, I don't think CC should require players to use a different app that many people don't have or don't want to have. And, they would have to make a whole roster of appointments with players, and it would create lots of hassle of trying to get discord to work and everything and poeple not having time at proposed moments. CC staff are already busy and this would really make appealing 10x longer.

one of your friends is a legit drag clicker so you ask them to make a video for you, and then you pass that along to the moderators who obviously sees someone legit dragging and the player (who cant drag) gets unbanned and can continue to auto on the server.

I definitely think the video should have you show your IGN to prove it's not stock footage of dragging, but there is the problem of account sharing. We would need to find a solution to that, idk what.

A cps cap of 25

Yeaa simple easy solution. Kinda what I've been asking for this whole time. Just allow up to e.g. 25 like you say and filter out all other clicks. Butterfly coulddddd reach 25 and drag does too, so it makes autoclicking a bit more obsolete as it gives less of an advantage.

 

[L1kii]

Hmm overall I agree and it's a really big problem (the autoclickers posing as drag clickers) but I have a few points of criticism.

Not everyone has discord, I don't think CC should require players to use a different app that many people don't have or don't want to have. And, they would have to make a whole roster of appointments with players, and it would create lots of hassle of trying to get discord to work and everything and poeple not having time at proposed moments. CC staff are already busy and this would really make appealing 10x longer.

I definitely think the video should have you show your IGN to prove it's not stock footage of dragging, but there is the problem of account sharing. We would need to find a solution to that, idk what.

Yeaa simple easy solution. Kinda what I've been asking for this whole time. Just allow up to e.g. 25 like you say and filter out all other clicks. Butterfly coulddddd reach 25 and drag does too, so it makes autoclicking a bit more obsolete as it gives less of an advantage.

cps of 25 is to high, put it to 15 like on the other button and kick from server when its going over it. 15 is more then enough, mobile or controller player cant get more. Just make it fair for all devices.

 

[tacoman222xx]

cps of 25 is to high, put it to 15 like on the other button and kick from server when its going over it. 15 is more then enough, mobile or controller player cant get more. Just make it fair for all devices

If we are opting for allowing drag clicks, I'd rather have a cap than a kick due to the fact that a drag can go over 15 quite easily. But if we were to decide on banning drag, a kick is better. 25 was just a number and 15 could be better, I'm not rooting for one number specifically.

 

[Endermanxbox479]

Hello there!
Please read the whole post before replying
Ban appeals in themselves are a great thing to the game, as they add a second chance to everyone who gets banned. They have the chance to prove themselves and explain why they should be unbanned. However there are many problems with the current appeal system.. Its way too easy to fake an appeal
Right now the appeal system works like this:
If you are banned for macro / auto clicking, you send a video of you drag clicking in a creative world and/or on Zeqa clutch practice and boom. Unbanned.

The current problems all together are:

• The standard is low

The standards of drag clicking has really fallen low, as they will accept pretty much the lowest of low. I have myself seen some appeals that were really bad somehow being accepted.

• Overwhelming amount of reports

There are so many reports for auto clicking / macro and the staff team seems to have given up, so they start to accept just about anything so they can get through all the reports.

• Faked appeals

Its become easier and easier to appeal your ban. Its being done like this: one of your friends is a legit drag clicker so you ask them to make a video for you, and then you pass that along to the moderators who obviously sees someone legit dragging and the player (who cant drag) gets unbanned and can continue to auto on the server. Even worse is they can now claim they have already appealed before so there is no point in reporting them, leading to fewer reports against the player.

• Alt accounts are a huge problem

Need i say more? The fact that this game is now free has made servers become a prime target for hackers, as both the server and the game is free. The problem is that people who alt just uses a vpn to get to another ip address and can bypass any ban letting them hack away until they are banned. And the process is done over and over again
The biggest problems with alt accounts is that, absolutely nothing can be done against them (Although the IP ban timer is way too short and should last longer in my opinion). The game is free and so is the server.

What can we even do?

• A more practical appeal system

They in theory could make a more practical way of appealing auto clicking. a possible solution could be a vc with the banned player screensharing them on their main account drag clicking and doing it well enough to the point it looks like the report. The player appealing should also be screensharing from their main discord account which has their banned account linked to the discord account. That way we could filter out people trying to cheat the system. A slacking appeal with barely any good drag clicking should NOT be accepted if it doesn't match up to the in-game clutches.
Now if the player who is appealing their ban isn't having a good day with their drag clicking due to, sweating, being nervous etc. they should get a second chance some other day and if unsuccessful there, then they probably can't drag click.

• Moderation has to be better

Currently some moderators allow even the worst of the worst appeals. No hate towards mods at all, as I'm sure they have a bunch of appeals and reports to look through, but they really should take more time to approve appeals, or have more people screenshare their drag clicking.

• A simple solution

Ban drag clicking. Hear me out. There has been so much controversy around this, and there are many arguments for it, such as, mobile players cant compete nor can controller players and its leading to many problems within the community. Well what if we just outright banned it? Would that really be so bad. I mean many of the problems in this post would be solved, it would also make the game way more pvp skill based, and games that would usually last forever because of infinite clutches, now will take much less time. (Thinking of snipes here, like uchiha's megas stream or ullo's squad snipes)

• CPS cap!

If banning drag clicking is going too far, then how about a cps cap? This would allow for clutches whilst not entirely extending games to beyond infinity. A cps cap of 25 should be enough to tell auto clickers apart from the rest. And yes i do know they can just set an auto to 25 cps, but we cant make things perfect.

Do you have any good solutions or feedback? Please let me know!
If we want any kind of response from the cc staff team we have to push this out to them. They have to see it for it to make any kind of impact! Any feedback on this would be of great use!
Take care everybody <3

VC is a dumb idea, moderators are just volunteers who don't get paid and it's already hard to go through all those reports/appeals. They basically won't have time for this unless Cubecraft will start paying them at least something.

Imo to reduce amount of people alting they should just implement the system of putting low lvl people with low lvl people and high lvl people with high lvl people.

 

[Eli]

No to the voice chat idea, nobody has time for that, and nobody wants to find themselves in a voice chat with a player you’ve banned, people can be unnecessarily uncomfortable or rude. Yes to all of your other options!

 

[GG KING 1234576]

Hmm overall I agree and it's a really big problem (the autoclickers posing as drag clickers) but I have a few points of criticism.

Not everyone has discord, I don't think CC should require players to use a different app that many people don't have or don't want to have. And, they would have to make a whole roster of appointments with players, and it would create lots of hassle of trying to get discord to work and everything and poeple not having time at proposed moments. CC staff are already busy and this would really make appealing 10x longer.

I definitely think the video should have you show your IGN to prove it's not stock footage of dragging, but there is the problem of account sharing. We would need to find a solution to that, idk what.

Yeaa simple easy solution. Kinda what I've been asking for this whole time. Just allow up to e.g. 25 like you say and filter out all other clicks. Butterfly coulddddd reach 25 and drag does too, so it makes autoclicking a bit more obsolete as it gives less of an advantage.

if he autocliking he will ban in 1 second

 

[tacoman222xx]

if he autocliking he will ban in 1 second

Lol no that is just completely not true

 

[tCombo]

if he autocliking he will ban in 1 second

Not necessarily. The CPS limiter kicks anyone who is over a certain amount of CPS for a sustained period of time. Autoclickers may also just put their settings lower than the CPS limiter so that they do not get banned. This somewhat reduces the advantage of autoclickers from having 100 cps down to 15. However the system could be improved to entirely remove autoclickers from the server

 

[GG KING 1234576]

Not necessarily. The CPS limiter kicks anyone who is over a certain amount of CPS for a sustained period of time. Autoclickers may also just put their settings lower than the CPS limiter so that they do not get banned. This somewhat reduces the advantage of autoclickers from having 100 cps down to 15. However the system could be improved to entirely remove autoclickers from the server

that's true but drag clickers have any cps limit on cubecraft ?

 

[MrSheepBoss]

This post is emotional bias, flawed logic, and elitism masked as "feedback".
1. drag clicking is unfair to mobile and controller players.
So are high refresh rate monitors, low ping, and stable wifi connections. Are we banning those too? The game already has differences across input methods, and no pvp system in it is perfectly input balanced. If you want competition, learn your devices advantages and play with that. Skill expression will always exist, REGARDLESS of device.

2. "Its too easy to fake an appeal"
Yeah, and it’s also easy to make false reports just because someone hits or moves well. whats your solution then? make everyone do a vc? mods arent full time employees. They are unpaid volunteers. Expecting discord vc appeal verification is ridiculous for a free game. Its not a court case. Theres no 3 hour appeal investigation budget.

3. "Macroers can just record their friend and get unbanned"
First off, this is rare, and when it does happen, anticheat and re reports catches them. But even if one or two slip through, that doesnt mean you punish legit players who CAN drag. Thats like banning sprinting in the olympics because some people use drugs. Fix the damn loophole, not the entire skill.

4. "ban dragclicking"
So instead of moderating properly, your solution is to remove an actual skill that rewards practice and timing? You want a pvp system to be all about spamming clicks and brainless bridging instead of actual skill, aim, and clutch timing? thats just dumb. drag clicking isnt the problem trash appeals are. Fix the way bans are handled, not the people who are actually good.

5. "cps cap"
There is already a cap. cubecraft has already implemented cps caps for everyone. Auto clickers are usually consistent in their clicking like their mouse is a foot long, and thats what the anticheat monitors. Meanwhile, actual drag clickers have fluctuations in their cps, misclicks, and HUMAN errors.

“vc with a mod to appeal” is the dumbest suggestion ever.​

Who tf thinks a volunteer mod who just reviewed 70 reports is gonna hop in a vc with every banned kid, screen share, verify mouse model, watch their sweaty fingers drag on some cracked mouse, and then analyze if it "matches the clutch in the report"
Thats not moderation, that’s a full time job.

drag clickers do NOT dominate pvp.​

Drag clickers have AWFUL AIM. They rely on raw cps and bridging, not tracking or precision AT ALL.
Auto clickers with bad aim get literally stomped by a player with good aim and 8-12 cps.
It’s not about cps, its about gamesense and mechanics and actual skill.


So all this crying about “drag clickers ruining pvp”?
Thats just skill issue.

mobile players arent weak at the slightest.​

Lets not forget, mobile players have crazy aim.
You can tap ANYWHERE on the screen and still get insane hits because of their touch controls.
While pc players have to precisely aim with a 1 cm crosshair and deal with input delay, mobile can be 100 ms ping with zero aim loss while turning around.
So nah, stop pretending like they are oppressed, they are literal demons.

 

[tCombo]

This post is emotional bias, flawed logic, and elitism masked as "feedback".
1. drag clicking is unfair to mobile and controller players.
So are high refresh rate monitors, low ping, and stable wifi connections. Are we banning those too? The game already has differences across input methods, and no pvp system in it is perfectly input balanced. If you want competition, learn your devices advantages and play with that. Skill expression will always exist, REGARDLESS of device.

2. "Its too easy to fake an appeal"
Yeah, and it’s also easy to make false reports just because someone hits or moves well. whats your solution then? make everyone do a vc? mods arent full time employees. They are unpaid volunteers. Expecting discord vc appeal verification is ridiculous for a free game. Its not a court case. Theres no 3 hour appeal investigation budget.

3. "Macroers can just record their friend and get unbanned"
First off, this is rare, and when it does happen, anticheat and re reports catches them. But even if one or two slip through, that doesnt mean you punish legit players who CAN drag. Thats like banning sprinting in the olympics because some people use drugs. Fix the damn loophole, not the entire skill.

4. "ban dragclicking"
So instead of moderating properly, your solution is to remove an actual skill that rewards practice and timing? You want a pvp system to be all about spamming clicks and brainless bridging instead of actual skill, aim, and clutch timing? thats just dumb. drag clicking isnt the problem trash appeals are. Fix the way bans are handled, not the people who are actually good.

5. "cps cap"
There is already a cap. cubecraft has already implemented cps caps for everyone. Auto clickers are usually consistent in their clicking like their mouse is a foot long, and thats what the anticheat monitors. Meanwhile, actual drag clickers have fluctuations in their cps, misclicks, and HUMAN errors.

“vc with a mod to appeal” is the dumbest suggestion ever.​

Who tf thinks a volunteer mod who just reviewed 70 reports is gonna hop in a vc with every banned kid, screen share, verify mouse model, watch their sweaty fingers drag on some cracked mouse, and then analyze if it "matches the clutch in the report"
Thats not moderation, that’s a full time job.

drag clickers do NOT dominate pvp.​

Drag clickers have AWFUL AIM. They rely on raw cps and bridging, not tracking or precision AT ALL.
Auto clickers with bad aim get literally stomped by a player with good aim and 8-12 cps.
It’s not about cps, its about gamesense and mechanics and actual skill.


So all this crying about “drag clickers ruining pvp”?
Thats just skill issue.

mobile players arent weak at the slightest.​

Lets not forget, mobile players have crazy aim.
You can tap ANYWHERE on the screen and still get insane hits because of their touch controls.
While pc players have to precisely aim with a 1 cm crosshair and deal with input delay, mobile can be 100 ms ping with zero aim loss while turning around.
So nah, stop pretending like they are oppressed, they are literal demons.

Most people don’t even use drag for pvp, and I would agree with your other suggestions. However mobile players’ aim comes at the cost of other movement skills

 

[tCombo]

that's true but drag clickers have any cps limit on cubecraft ?

Yes there is a cps limit on the server

 

[TC XD]

This has gone on for way too long. Drag clicking (right click) has become too much of a problem and should be banned. A lot of auto's use it as an excuse. People who disagree with banning right click drag either are idiots or those who auto themselves.

 

[tCombo]

This has gone on for way too long. Drag clicking (right click) has become too much of a problem and should be banned. A lot of auto's use it as an excuse. People who disagree with banning right click drag either are idiots or those who auto themselves.

or people who actually drag click...

 

[lony]

Hello there,

The idea of voice calls with screen sharing sounds good in theory, in practice it could create alot of proplems and not everyone able to share his screen,
Not everyone has a stable internet connection or the equipment to do live screen sharing, Which could unfairly block legit players from appealing.
Also, it puts a big time burden on moderators who already have too many reports to handle.
The system might slow down the appeal process significantly.
And i I believe the current moderation team is generally effective and great.
The moderators are doing a hard job handling a reports, appeals and high-volume task.
While it’s true that no system is perfect and there’s always room for some minor improvements,
I don’t think the moderation process itself is the main problem here. The focus should perhaps be more on supporting the moderators rather than overhauling the entire system

And the Free game means alt accounts are everywhere, making bans less effective. And yes we need longer IP bans and better detection


And i support the idea of implementing a CPS.
Setting a reasonable limit like 25 CPS can help distinguish between legitimate players and auto clickers,
making it easier to catch cheaters without banning legitimate drag clicking entirely.
While it’s not a perfect solution, it’s a practical step towards fairer gameplay and shorter, more skill-based matches.