Java Shovels

[_The13thDoctor_]

Hey guys! So I had a suggestion for Sky Wars. Sometimes and I notice this most in OP I find diamond shovels in chests and I honestly don't know why they are a feature as they are very useless. Unless they have a good reason I'd hope they could be removed so better things could take its place in the chest. What do you think?

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[Sweetenerera]

@Riley gonna be mad if they do that lmao

Anyway, you can spleef people in for example Snowflake, and there are plenty of items that are pretty useless, like cake. Why would you need cake? There's plenty of other food.

 

[Priley]

Biggest no I can possibly give: N O

 

[_The13thDoctor_]

@Riley gonna be mad if they do that lmao

Anyway, you can spleef people in for example Snowflake, and there are plenty of items that are pretty useless, like cake. Why would you need cake? There's plenty of other food.

However, the cake is more useable. Shovels are only effective on what like 1 map? Just remove it on all the other maps then.

Biggest no I can possibly give: N O

Not sure if I should take your opinion seriously since you use it for something besides Sky Wars which shouldn't be.

 

[Oreo♥️]

@Riley gonna be mad if they do that lmao

Anyway, you can spleef people in for example Snowflake, and there are plenty of items that are pretty useless, like cake. Why would you need cake? There's plenty of other food.

Cake is useful when you're mid fight, so you can eat without losing any second.
And besides from snowflake what other map can you spleef other people on?

 

[Sweetenerera]

However, the cake is more useable. Shovels are only effective on what like 1 map? Just remove it on all the other maps then.

Cake is useful when you're mid fight, so you can eat without losing any second.
And besides from snowflake what other map can you spleef other people on?

As I said, there are so many other useless items, cake etc. Yes you can use it mid fight but does anyone actually put it in their hotbar?
But this does proof something: I thought cake was completely useless, but apperently people do use it.
You think shovels are completely useless, but people do use it. Maybe for something else besides sleefing people in Snowflake. Something we just don't know.
If you don't like shovels, don't take it out of the chest, you're not forced to take it with you. If we remove all useless items: Remove food in 1.8 OP chests.. you get around a stack of gapples, you can use that as food and healing, since you get plenty of it.

Not sure if I should take your opinion seriously since you use it for something besides Sky Wars which shouldn't be.

Uhm..? What? How is spleefing people using shovels for something besides Skywars? The desciption of Skywars literally says ''Battle other CubeCrafters in the sky, just don't look down! To win all you have to do is be the last player or team standing. Simple right?''
Where does it say spleefing people isn't part of the game? The objection is to be the last player or team standing. If you do that by shooting people, stabbing them, blowing them up, void trapping them, trapping them in another way or, spleefing them: it doesn't matter. You need to win, be the last person standing..
If someone suggest to remove the ''tnt'' kit, will you not take anyone's opinion serious because they use it to trap people?

 

[_The13thDoctor_]

As I said, there are so many other useless items, cake etc. Yes you can use it mid fight but does anyone actually put it in their hotbar?
But this does proof something: I thought cake was completely useless, but apperently people do use it.
You think shovels are completely useless, but people do use it. Maybe for something else besides sleefing people in Snowflake. Something we just don't know.
If you don't like shovels, don't take it out of the chest, you're not forced to take it with you. If we remove all useless items: Remove food in 1.8 OP chests.. you get around a stack of gapples, you can use that as food and healing, since you get plenty of it.

Again, we established cake is a bad example of "useless" and I do know a few people who use it but your going way off topic with the current discussion. We aren't talking about removing cake, this is shovels, comparing is completely pointless. And the difference is cake is used for food, you shouldn't be doing spleef in a sky wars game. That's not the purpose of the game. Might I add you can still craft shovels? So removing them from chests is not bad in any way. And wth are you on about removing food in 1.8 chests??? What is that even have to do with shovels xD

 

[Oreo♥️]

As I said, there are so many other useless items, cake etc. Yes you can use it mid fight but does anyone actually put it in their hotbar?
But this does proof something: I thought cake was completely useless, but apperently people do use it.
You think shovels are completely useless, but people do use it. Maybe for something else besides sleefing people in Snowflake. Something we just don't know.
If you don't like shovels, don't take it out of the chest, you're not forced to take it with you. If we remove all useless items: Remove food in 1.8 OP chests.. you get around a stack of gapples, you can use that as food and healing, since you get plenty of it.

"It might have another use" Like what? Killing people with it?
How can a shovel have another use than breaking blocks or hitting someone with it??
Also what does food in 1.8 etc have to do with the thread? Besides, food does have an utility in op too, for example: if you're missing more than two food bars you can eat a steak, that fills 4 food bars instead of 2, saving time since you don't have to eat two golden apples.

 

[Sweetenerera]

Again, we established cake is a bad example of "useless" and I do know a few people who use it but your going way off topic with the current discussion.

Please explain how it's a bad example? Because you know a few people who do use it? Great, I know a few people who use shovels! Shovels isn't an actual real ''useless'' item either then. And no, I'm not going off-topic, at all. I'm showing that just because someone thinks something is useless, doesn't mean it is. I think cake is useless, you don't. You think shovels are useless, I don't. It's on topic.

We aren't talking about removing cake, this is shovels, comparing is completely pointless.

It's not, because as I said plenty of times, just because someone thinks something is useless, doesn't mean it is. That's the connection between the cake and shovels and it makes sense, it's on topic. You think cake is useful and you know a couple people who use it. I think shovels are useful and I know a couple of people who use it.'

And the difference is cake is used for food, you shouldn't be doing spleef in a sky wars game.

Why not? Who says so? As I said in my response to you literally wanting to ignore Riley's opinion because you don't think spleef is a part of Skywars (I totally understand if you missed it, I didn't quote it in my original post, I edited it and then quoted it.) The point of Skywars is to, and I quote the description of Skywars, ''Battle other CubeCrafters in the sky. To win all you have to do is be the last player or team standing.'' You need to ''be the last player standing''. That can be done in the obvious way: fighting people with a sword, or killing them via projectiles. But there is nowhere it says you can't do that by blowing them up, by void trapping them, by trapping them in general or by spleefing them. You can't kill people using hacks, that's the only rule. Besides that you're free to let your creativity think of plenty of ways to kill people. If you want to simply ask someone if they can jump off the map: you can!
Skywars isn't about killing people with weapons it's about being the last person standing. Even without killing people. Even with spleefing people. Saying that ''spleefing isn't a part of the game'' is just the worst argument ever and it makes me understand what people mean by saying ''I'm losing braincells.''

That's not the purpose of the game.

That's where you're wrong! The purpose of the game is in the description of Skywars: being the last person standing. You can do what however your hearts pleases as long as it doesn't break the rules of not hacking and not camping. You want to kill people by sword? Be their guest! You want to kill people using projectiles? Be their guest! You want to trap people? Be their guest! You can to spleef people? Be. their. guest!

Might I add you can still craft shovels?

Might I add that in both overpowered chests as well as in normal chests (I'm not sure about basic chests) the shovels are enchanted? You might think it doesn't matter but if I recall correctly, in normal chests the enchanted shovels are stone. A quick test showed that non enchanted stone or wooden shovels don't mine snow instantly. If you want to mine snow instantly you need to get an iron shovel. Now, if we go back to you saying Snowflake can become the only map with shovels, you don't need instantly mine snow. But let me ask you this, why should we craft shovels? Because you can't be bothered to simply... not take the shovel? Or because you think they're useless? I'm sure there are some people that think pickaxes or axes are useless. ''Who would use an axe to fight? That's just a waste of time! It takes way too long to reload. And who mines wood? Useless!'' Why shouldn't we also craft our own pickaxes then? Because I'm sure that, again, there are a couple of people out there that think axes and pickaxes are useless. It's a game of fighting, there is no reason to need a pickaxe. (There is no reason to debunk pickaxes being useless, again, I don't think they are, but I'm sure some people do think so.) Let's also remove pickaxes and axes. Let's craft them as well! In fact? Let's remove the chests and just make an UHC in the air. Sounds dumb, right? So does crafting shovels. Just simply don't take the shovels if you don't think they're useful..

So removing them from chests is not bad in any way.

You can still craft armor, swords, you can mine wood yourself, you can get your own food: just throw down some hay bales in every map just like Lucky Islands. So removing those items aren't a problem either. Again, sounds dumb, because it is. It'll remove the speed of the game. Removing shovels doesn't have as much impact on the game as removing swords and armor. But it's still a horrible argument to remove shovels. ''You can craft them anyway.''
You don't like shovels? Great, don't pick em up. Some people think they're useful.

And wth are you on about removing food in 1.8 chests??? What is that even have to do with shovels xD

Same story as the cake, food in 1.8 overpowered is useless since you get plenty of gapples. You want to remove shovels because they're 'useless', great, let's remove all thinks that a couple of people think are useless. Food in 1.8 OP, cakes, axes, pickaxes.

"It might have another use" Like what? Killing people with it?

I didn't know a good use for cakes, but according to you people keep them in their hotbar to have a quick bite so they don't need to stop mid fight to eat something like bread. Who knows, maybe someone has a good use for shovels. Apparently the developers thought they were important enough to add to the game. I don't know a better reason then to spleef people in Snowflake: doesn't mean there isn't a food reason.

How can a shovel have another use than breaking blocks or hitting someone with it.

How does an axe have more purpose then breaking blocks and hitting someone with it? Let's remove them as well because they are now also useles...????
Like.. what? Yes shovels can only be used to break blocks and hit someone with it? What's your points? Every tool has just that purpose..

Also what does food in 1.8 etc have to do with the thread? Besides, food does have an utility in op too, for example: if you're missing more than two food bars you can eat a steak, that fills 4 food bars instead of 2, saving time since you don't have to eat two golden apples.

You're teling me you're giving a spot in your hotbar to normal food? In 1.8 overpowered? When you have 1+ stack of gapples? Eating to gapples isn't that much work, and you still have plenty to use for healing.

 

[Priley]

Spleefing in SkyWars is just a strategy just like any. Just because you're clearly not ok with it means it should be removed from the game

 

[Sweetenerera]

Spleefing in SkyWars is just a strategy just like any. Just because you're clearly not ok with it means it should be removed from the game

I'd like to add something to that: It's the exact same thing as ''Remove projectiles''. No, people enjoy using them. Let's then also remove the void, swords, armor, gamemode survival. Make it creative mode!

 

[_The13thDoctor_]

Spleefing in SkyWars is just a strategy just like any. Just because you're clearly not ok with it means it should be removed from the game

What are you talking about lmao? There are almost no maps that you can even spleef on. Plus you can craft a shovel easily. So why not remove it from the chest so better items can be in there instead? It's my opinion and I'm not the only one who thinks that...

Please explain how it's a bad example? Because you know a few people who do use it? Great, I know a few people who use shovels! Shovels isn't an actual real ''useless'' item either then. And no, I'm not going off-topic, at all. I'm showing that just because someone thinks something is useless, doesn't mean it is. I think cake is useless, you don't. You think shovels are useless, I don't. It's on topic.

I have explained many times I won't keep repeating myself because it's silly. I never said I like cake either but it's useful while shovels have no use besides "spleefing" you can do on what like 2 maps maybe?


It's not, because as I said plenty of times, just because someone thinks something is useless, doesn't mean it is. That's the connection between the cake and shovels and it makes sense, it's on topic. You think cake is useful and you know a couple people who use it. I think shovels are useful and I know a couple of people who use it.'

I never said I like cake though... I use it sometimes but I don't use it religiously.


Why not? Who says so? As I said in my response to you literally wanting to ignore Riley's opinion because you don't think spleef is a part of Skywars (I totally understand if you missed it, I didn't quote it in my original post, I edited it and then quoted it.) The point of Skywars is to, and I quote the description of Skywars, ''Battle other CubeCrafters in the sky. To win all you have to do is be the last player or team standing.'' You need to ''be the last player standing''. That can be done in the obvious way: fighting people with a sword, or killing them via projectiles. But there is nowhere it says you can't do that by blowing them up, by void trapping them, by trapping them in general or by spleefing them. You can't kill people using hacks, that's the only rule. Besides that you're free to let your creativity think of plenty of ways to kill people. If you want to simply ask someone if they can jump off the map: you can!
Skywars isn't about killing people with weapons it's about being the last person standing. Even without killing people. Even with spleefing people. Saying that ''spleefing isn't a part of the game'' is just the worst argument ever and it makes me understand what people mean by saying ''I'm losing braincells.''

"I'm wanting to ignore his opinion" What are you on about lmao? I respect his opinion but I disagree. Spleef has never been a part of sky wars. That's not the purpose of the game. The game doesn't involve spleefing at all. Most maps you can't even spleef, to begin with. So why even have it if you can't use it AND YOU CAN CRAFT IT YOURSELF. And no because in Sky Wars I literally never have seen someone spleef someone to death and I'm a youtube no lifer. And honestly your really one to talk about making terrible arguments because your just repeating yourself when I'm giving you a very clear answer on why it makes no sense to keep them. I mean I can respect your opinion to a degree until it's just ridiculous. "I'm losing brain cells"

That's where you're wrong! The purpose of the game is in the description of Skywars: being the last person standing. You can do what however your hearts pleases as long as it doesn't break the rules of not hacking and not camping. You want to kill people by sword? Be their guest! You want to kill people using projectiles? Be their guest! You want to trap people? Be their guest! You can to spleef people? Be. their. guest!

Yeah. But again HOW can you spleef if 99% of maps don't have blocks that can be spleefed or have just 1 layer to do so. Might I add you can craft so why not remove something you can make yourself IF YOU WANT IT so something better can go in the chest.


Might I add that in both overpowered chests as well as in normal chests (I'm not sure about basic chests) the shovels are enchanted? You might think it doesn't matter but if I recall correctly, in normal chests the enchanted shovels are stone. A quick test showed that non enchanted stone or wooden shovels don't mine snow instantly. If you want to mine snow instantly you need to get an iron shovel. Now, if we go back to you saying Snowflake can become the only map with shovels, you don't need instantly mine snow. But let me ask you this, why should we craft shovels? Because you can't be bothered to simply... not take the shovel? Or because you think they're useless? I'm sure there are some people that think pickaxes or axes are useless. ''Who would use an axe to fight? That's just a waste of time! It takes way too long to reload. And who mines wood? Useless!'' Why shouldn't we also craft our own pickaxes then? Because I'm sure that, again, there are a couple of people out there that think axes and pickaxes are useless. It's a game of fighting, there is no reason to need a pickaxe. (There is no reason to debunk pickaxes being useless, again, I don't think they are, but I'm sure some people do think so.) Let's also remove pickaxes and axes. Let's craft them as well! In fact? Let's remove the chests and just make an UHC in the air. Sounds dumb, right? So does crafting shovels. Just simply don't take the shovels if you don't think they're useful..

Again. I can count on 1 hand how many maps might be possibly spleefable. How are pickaxes useless? There are ores on almost all maps and you're going to need to craft armor here and then. Axes can get you wood and lots of people fight with them so both of those points are completely null. Also picaxes can be used to spleef along with axes since most maps bottoms or whole idea is made of those blocks that can be broken. Can I add the point of adding pics and axes is to break blocks easier? And now your just being ridiculous. You completly lost sight of the idea of the thread. "Let's also remove pickaxes and axes. Let's craft them as well! In fact? Let's remove the chests and just make an UHC in the air. Sounds dumb, right? So does crafting shovels. Just simply don't take the shovels if you don't think they're useful.." Makes total sense.... Literally that is a really bad statement there.

You can still craft armor, swords, you can mine wood yourself, you can get your own food: just throw down some hay bales in every map just like Lucky Islands. So removing those items aren't a problem either. Again, sounds dumb, because it is. It'll remove the speed of the game. Removing shovels doesn't have as much impact on the game as removing swords and armor. But it's still a horrible argument to remove shovels. ''You can craft them anyway.''
You don't like shovels? Great, don't pick em up. Some people think they're useful.

Again you keep refrencing things that have nothing to do with it, and because the suggestion is small it's not worth it? Why vote at all? (See now I sound like you) Shovels don't do anything, please. Again if few people use them why have it in the game? When there is a kit and it's craftable. (Just remembered there is a kit with a shovel)


Same story as the cake, food in 1.8 overpowered is useless since you get plenty of gapples. You want to remove shovels because they're 'useless', great, let's remove all thinks that a couple of people think are useless. Food in 1.8 OP, cakes, axes, pickaxes.

Stop using cake as an example, please. And stop going off-topic. If you're so determined to talk about this make your own thread. We are talking about 1 thing here may I remind you.


I didn't know a good use for cakes, but according to you people keep them in their hotbar to have a quick bite so they don't need to stop mid fight to eat something like bread. Who knows, maybe someone has a good use for shovels. Apparently the developers thought they were important enough to add to the game. I don't know a better reason then to spleef people in Snowflake: doesn't mean there isn't a food reason.

Yes snowflake maybe, but name at least 2 maps that also work with SHOVELS. Cant right? It just dosen't work on other maps.


How does an axe have more purpose then breaking blocks and hitting someone with it? Let's remove them as well because they are now also useles...????
Like.. what? Yes shovels can only be used to break blocks and hit someone with it? What's your points? Every tool has just that purpose..

Axes are weapons and can break wood which you can bridge with. Why remove a vital tool to the game in many cases. Shovels break blocks but none you really need most of the time and they do no damage. Why keep them? And it's weird you say now they have a purpose when earlier you said let's remove axes and picaxes. Please.


You're teling me you're giving a spot in your hotbar to normal food? In 1.8 overpowered? When you have 1+ stack of gapples? Eating to gapples isn't that much work, and you still have plenty to use for healing.

I'd like to add something to that: It's the exact same thing as ''Remove projectiles''. No, people enjoy using them. Let's then also remove the void, swords, armor, gamemode survival. Make it creative mode!

Again your being completely ridiculous and losing sight of the idea of the thread. At this point when you leave responses like this, I'm just going to ignore them.

 

[_The13thDoctor_]

Spleefing in SkyWars is just a strategy just like any. Just because you're clearly not ok with it means it should be removed from the game

What are you talking about lmao? There are almost no maps that you can even spleef on. Plus you can craft a shovel easily. So why not remove it from the chest so better items can be in there instead? It's my opinion and I'm not the only one who thinks that LMAO.

Please explain how it's a bad example? Because you know a few people who do use it? Great, I know a few people who use shovels! Shovels isn't an actual real ''useless'' item either then. And no, I'm not going off-topic, at all. I'm showing that just because someone thinks something is useless, doesn't mean it is. I think cake is useless, you don't. You think shovels are useless, I don't. It's on topic.

I have explained many times I won't keep repeating myself because it's silly. I never said I like cake either but it's useful while shovels have no use besides "spleefing" you can do on what like 2 maps maybe?


It's not, because as I said plenty of times, just because someone thinks something is useless, doesn't mean it is. That's the connection between the cake and shovels and it makes sense, it's on topic. You think cake is useful and you know a couple people who use it. I think shovels are useful and I know a couple of people who use it.'

I never said I like cake though...


Why not? Who says so? As I said in my response to you literally wanting to ignore Riley's opinion because you don't think spleef is a part of Skywars (I totally understand if you missed it, I didn't quote it in my original post, I edited it and then quoted it.) The point of Skywars is to, and I quote the description of Skywars, ''Battle other CubeCrafters in the sky. To win all you have to do is be the last player or team standing.'' You need to ''be the last player standing''. That can be done in the obvious way: fighting people with a sword, or killing them via projectiles. But there is nowhere it says you can't do that by blowing them up, by void trapping them, by trapping them in general or by spleefing them. You can't kill people using hacks, that's the only rule. Besides that you're free to let your creativity think of plenty of ways to kill people. If you want to simply ask someone if they can jump off the map: you can!
Skywars isn't about killing people with weapons it's about being the last person standing. Even without killing people. Even with spleefing people. Saying that ''spleefing isn't a part of the game'' is just the worst argument ever and it makes me understand what people mean by saying ''I'm losing braincells.''

"I'm wanting to ignore his opinion" What are you on lmao? I respect his opinion but I disagree. Spleef has never been a part of sky wars. That's not the purpose of the game. The game doesn't involve spleefing at all. Most maps you can't even spleef, to begin with. So why even have it if you can't use it AND YOU CAN CRAFT IT YOURSELF. And no because in Sky Wars I literally never have seen someone spleef someone to death and I'm a youtube no lifer. And honestly your really one to talk about making terrible arguments because your just repeating yourself when I'm giving you a very clear answer on why it makes no sense to keep them. I mean I can respect your opinion to a degree until it's just ridiculous. "I'm losing brain cells"

That's where you're wrong! The purpose of the game is in the description of Skywars: being the last person standing. You can do what however your hearts pleases as long as it doesn't break the rules of not hacking and not camping. You want to kill people by sword? Be their guest! You want to kill people using projectiles? Be their guest! You want to trap people? Be their guest! You can to spleef people? Be. their. guest!

Yeah. But again HOW can you spleef if 99% of maps don't have blocks that can be spleefed or have just 1 layer to do so. Might I add you can craft so why not remove something you can make yourself IF YOU WANT IT so something better can go in the chest.


Might I add that in both overpowered chests as well as in normal chests (I'm not sure about basic chests) the shovels are enchanted? You might think it doesn't matter but if I recall correctly, in normal chests the enchanted shovels are stone. A quick test showed that non enchanted stone or wooden shovels don't mine snow instantly. If you want to mine snow instantly you need to get an iron shovel. Now, if we go back to you saying Snowflake can become the only map with shovels, you don't need instantly mine snow. But let me ask you this, why should we craft shovels? Because you can't be bothered to simply... not take the shovel? Or because you think they're useless? I'm sure there are some people that think pickaxes or axes are useless. ''Who would use an axe to fight? That's just a waste of time! It takes way too long to reload. And who mines wood? Useless!'' Why shouldn't we also craft our own pickaxes then? Because I'm sure that, again, there are a couple of people out there that think axes and pickaxes are useless. It's a game of fighting, there is no reason to need a pickaxe. (There is no reason to debunk pickaxes being useless, again, I don't think they are, but I'm sure some people do think so.) Let's also remove pickaxes and axes. Let's craft them as well! In fact? Let's remove the chests and just make an UHC in the air. Sounds dumb, right? So does crafting shovels. Just simply don't take the shovels if you don't think they're useful..

Again. I can count on 1 hand how many maps might be possibly spleefable. How are pickaxes useless? There are ores on almost all maps and you're going to need to craft armor here and then. Axes can get you wood and lots of people fight with them so both of those points are completely null. Also picaxes can be used to spleef along with axes since most maps bottoms or whole idea is made of those blocks that can be broken. Can I add the point of adding pics and axes is to break blocks easier? And now your just being ridiculous. You completly lost sight of the idea of the thread. "Let's also remove pickaxes and axes. Let's craft them as well! In fact? Let's remove the chests and just make an UHC in the air. Sounds dumb, right? So does crafting shovels. Just simply don't take the shovels if you don't think they're useful.." Makes total sense.... Literally that is a really bad statement there.

You can still craft armor, swords, you can mine wood yourself, you can get your own food: just throw down some hay bales in every map just like Lucky Islands. So removing those items aren't a problem either. Again, sounds dumb, because it is. It'll remove the speed of the game. Removing shovels doesn't have as much impact on the game as removing swords and armor. But it's still a horrible argument to remove shovels. ''You can craft them anyway.''
You don't like shovels? Great, don't pick em up. Some people think they're useful.

Again you keep referencing things that have nothing to do with it, and because the suggestion is small it's not worth it? Why vote at all? (See now I sound like you) Shovels don't do anything, please. Again if few people use them why have it in the game? When there is a kit and it's craftable. (Just remembered there is a kit with a shovel)


Same story as the cake, food in 1.8 overpowered is useless since you get plenty of gapples. You want to remove shovels because they're 'useless', great, let's remove all thinks that a couple of people think are useless. Food in 1.8 OP, cakes, axes, pickaxes.

Stop using cake as an example, please. And stop going off-topic. If you're so determined to talk about this make your own thread. We are talking about 1 thing here may I remind you.


I didn't know a good use for cakes, but according to you people keep them in their hotbar to have a quick bite so they don't need to stop mid fight to eat something like bread. Who knows, maybe someone has a good use for shovels. Apparently the developers thought they were important enough to add to the game. I don't know a better reason then to spleef people in Snowflake: doesn't mean there isn't a food reason.

Yes snowflake maybe, but name at least 2 maps that also work with SHOVELS. Cant right? It just dosen't work on other maps.


How does an axe have more purpose then breaking blocks and hitting someone with it? Let's remove them as well because they are now also useles...????
Like.. what? Yes shovels can only be used to break blocks and hit someone with it? What's your points? Every tool has just that purpose..

Axes are weapons and can break wood which you can bridge with. Why remove a vital tool to the game in many cases. Shovels break blocks but none you really need most of the time and they do no damage. Why keep them? And it's weird you say now they have a purpose when earlier you said let's remove axes and picaxes. Please.


You're teling me you're giving a spot in your hotbar to normal food? In 1.8 overpowered? When you have 1+ stack of gapples? Eating to gapples isn't that much work, and you still have plenty to use for healing.

Yes. It's not that hard to believe. There is plenty of space in your hot bar depending on how you play.

 

[Oreo♥️]

How does an axe have more purpose then breaking blocks and hitting someone with it? Let's remove them as well because they are now also useles...????
Like.. what? Yes shovels can only be used to break blocks and hit someone with it? What's your points? Every tool has just that purpose..

It has more purpose cause, first wood blocks take longer to break than dirt, second you actually get wood blocks from chests but you dont get dirt, and third they deal more damage to enemies. Yes of course you could hide with dirt, but you can easily break it with your hand...

You're teling me you're giving a spot in your hotbar to normal food? In 1.8 overpowered? When you have 1+ stack of gapples? Eating to gapples isn't that much work, and you still have plenty to use for healing.

Yes? As I told you, golden apples only fill two hunger bars while steak fills four etc. Its no big deal to eat two golden apples, true, but it does take longer than eating just a steak + you can eat golden apples even when your food bar is full

Edit:

I didn't know a good use for cakes, but according to you people keep them in their hotbar to have a quick bite so they don't need to stop mid fight to eat something like bread. Who knows, maybe someone has a good use for shovels. Apparently the developers thought they were important enough to add to the game. I don't know a better reason then to spleef people in Snowflake: doesn't mean there isn't a food reason.

Saying "it might have another use" isnt a valid argument, even you know it cant have any other use in skywars, that's like saying bows might have another use than shooting people or that enderpearls aren't only for teleporting, makes 0 sense.

 

[Sweetenerera]

Again your being completely ridiculous and losing sight of the idea of the thread. At this point when you leave responses like this, I'm just going to ignore them.

Thank you for completely ignoring my 4 page essay filled with on topic points. Talking about how the shovels shouldn't be removed from the chests.. Reading this makes me think you either
1. Took a guess it was off-topic, because anyone who read it knows it was not off-topic.
2. You didn't understand a single thing I was talking about.
3. You didn't know what to give as a response because you know I am right..

Anyway, you made a thread, asked for opinions, got opinions, completely ignored both opinions that were against the idea. Mine and Riley's. Oh how mature.

What are you talking about lmao? There are almost no maps that you can even spleef on. Plus you can craft a shovel easily. So why not remove it from the chest so better items can be in there instead? It's my opinion and I'm not the only one who thinks that...

Why not remove pickaxes and axes? You can craft them easily as well. They're not getting removed because they're useful. Just like shovels, There's no reason to remove them. Developers thought they were useful enough to be added into the game. If you don't think they're useful, don't take them out of the chests. Just like I don't take out cakes: I don't think they're useful.

It's my opinion and I'm not the only one who thinks that...

It's my opinion, which, by the way, you asked for, that they are useful, and I'm not the only one.

Yes. It's not that hard to believe. There is plenty of space in your hot bar depending on how you play.

More then 50% of my overpowered 1.8 games, I have a too full of an inventory.

It has more purpose cause, first wood blocks take longer to break than dirt, second you actually get wood blocks from chests but you dont get dirt, and third they deal more damage to enemies. Yes of course you could hide with dirt, but you can easily break it with your hand...

You asked ''How can a shovel have another use than breaking blocks or hitting someone with it.''. Every tool's only purpose is to break blocks and hit players. Shovels, axes, pickaxes. Yes wood and stone takes longer to mine, but their only purpose is still hitting and breaking.
Axes and pickaxes are important to the game and shouldn't be removed but neither should shovels.

 

[Oreo♥️]

You asked ''How can a shovel have another use than breaking blocks or hitting someone with it.''. Every tool's only purpose is to break blocks and hit players. Shovels, axes, pickaxes. Yes wood and stone takes longer to mine, but their only purpose is still hitting and breaking.
Axes and pickaxes are important to the game and shouldn't be removed but neither should shovels.

"But neither should shovels" I mean, honestly, they have no purpose tha spleefing one or two players on a couple of maps, it's not a good item necessary for the game. Of course it's fun, I like spleefing people too, but I'd rather have a bow than a shovel if I am honest, I dont know how chests work, I dont know if removing shovels would give other items more chances to appear, but if it did it should get removed, it's just not necessary, literally no purpose on maps like drought and other maps that barely have any dirt/ snow.
Of course if it wouldnt give other items more chances to be on chests I wouldnt mind...

 

[Sweetenerera]

"But neither should shovels" I mean, honestly, they have no purpose tha spleefing one or two players on a couple of maps, it's not a good item necessary for the game. Of course it's fun, I like spleefing people too, but I'd rather have a bow than a shovel if I am honest, I dont know how chests work, I dont know if removing shovels would give other items more chances to appear, but if it did it should get removed, it's just not necessary, literally no purpose on maps like drought and other maps that barely have any dirt/ snow.
Of course if it wouldnt give other items more chances to be on chests I wouldnt mind...

You're just assuming chests have a max. amount of stuff.. Then put all of the blocks in one spot, rather then splitting it over 4 different spots in 2 different chests.. remove cake, apples, breard and only put 15-20 steak in one spot of one chest. That gives more space for other items.
Shovels are useful for spleefing people and for getting snowballs in a map like snowy. Yeah, they're not that useful for anything else but how pickaxes aren't that useful either. I barely ever use them. Let's remove pickaxes as well, let's craft pickaxe as well. I mean, I'd rather get projectiles then a pickaxe.

 

[_The13thDoctor_]

Thank you for completely ignoring my 4 page essay filled with on topic points. Talking about how the shovels shouldn't be removed from the chests.. Reading this makes me think you either
1. Took a guess it was off-topic, because anyone who read it knows it was not off-topic.
2. You didn't understand a single thing I was talking about.
3. You didn't know what to give as a response because you know I am right..

OMG. I know I said I wouldn't respond to your really dumb parts but my god. Do you hear yourself? I'm sorry but this is really just... 4-page essay is nowhere near and your topic points were not topic points. No, I did not take a guess. I understand completely (What makes sense) And no you are not right.

Anyway, you made a thread, asked for opinions, got opinions, completely ignored both opinions that were against the idea. Mine and Riley's. Oh how mature.

Excuse me? I got an opinion and when defending my opinions and explaining faults in yours it's an issue? How 2 sided. It's very mature compared to what your doing.

Why not remove pickaxes and axes? You can craft them easily as well. They're not getting removed because they're useful. Just like shovels, There's no reason to remove them. Developers thought they were useful enough to be added into the game. If you don't think they're useful, don't take them out of the chests. Just like I don't take out cakes: I don't think they're useful.

Oh. My. God. I won't repeat myself re-read my posts.


It's my opinion, which, by the way, you asked for, that they are useful, and I'm not the only one.


More then 50% of my overpowered 1.8 games, I have a too full of an inventory.


You asked ''How can a shovel have another use than breaking blocks or hitting someone with it.''. Every tool's only purpose is to break blocks and hit players. Shovels, axes, pickaxes. Yes wood and stone takes longer to mine, but their only purpose is still hitting and breaking.
Axes and pickaxes are important to the game and shouldn't be removed but neither should shovels.

Again, what is the point of having something that does hardly anything and the player can make IF THEY REALLY NEED IT?

You're just assuming chests have a max. amount of stuff.. Then put all of the blocks in one spot, rather then splitting it over 4 different spots in 2 different chests.. remove cake, apples, breard and only put 15-20 steak in one spot of one chest. That gives more space for other items.
Shovels are useful for spleefing people and for getting snowballs in a map like snowy. Yeah, they're not that useful for anything else but how pickaxes aren't that useful either. I barely ever use them. Let's remove pickaxes as well, let's craft pickaxe as well. I mean, I'd rather get projectiles then a pickaxe.

They do have a max actually. And stop bringing up food. It is not the same. This is about shovels. Ok. So, you still won't answer the fact that what maps beside a seasonal map snowy can you spleef on? None I can think of. As for collecting snow 1 or 2. Is that worth it? No. When axes and pickaxes are useful on EVERY MAP. But again we are talking about spades. Nothing else. And stop bringing them up this is so ridiculous. You actually need pickaxes consistently. You don't need shovels period. Who is going to start a game (even tryhards) and grab a shovel? Honestly. If you want to remove picaxes or cake please make another thread otherwise stop mentioning it. You're just using it as a deflection tactic. It dosen't work.

 

[SanCookie]

Hi I’m gonna ignore the novels that have been written above this post and explain why I think they should keep shovels.
(Sorry if it’s a duplicate post)

Shovels are useful when you want to dig out a trap, not all maps are made out of stone or wood on the bottom side, so shovels can be useful too when mining dirt.

To stay within the trapping argument, I frequently use shovels to dig down really fast so I can hide underground and potentially obsidian trap someone.

And I believe this use has already been said in this thread, but spleefing with shovels is amazing, on OP you can instamine dirt as well so that opens up the opportunity to a lot of new maps to spleef people.

I do think that the shovel should stay, if it bothers you, then don’t take it from the chests of throw it out of your inventory.

 

[_The13thDoctor_]

Hi I’m gonna ignore the novels that have been written above this post and explain why I think they should keep shovels.
(Sorry if it’s a duplicate post)

Shovels are useful when you want to dig out a trap, not all maps are made out of stone or wood on the bottom side, so shovels can be useful too when mining dirt.

To stay within the trapping argument, I frequently use shovels to dig down really fast so I can hide underground and potentially obsidian trap someone.

And I believe this use has already been said in this thread, but spleefing with shovels is amazing, on OP you can instamine dirt as well so that opens up the opportunity to a lot of new maps to spleef people.

I do think that the shovel should stay, if it bothers you, then don’t take it from the chests of throw it out of your inventory.

Since the tool is situation compared to the other two, wouldn't it be easier to leave up to the player to craft and free chest space for something they may actually need? Not to mention that traps and hiding are not common things especially in solo when its rush and fighting constantly. Or at least shouldn't normally happen.