The Great "Damage Indicator" Debate

[Popcornman467]

this was never a problem to begin with; damage indicators don’t give you an unfair advantage, they just help you to see the progress you are into killing an enemy, it’s not like they kill them faster. i use damage indicators but i wouldn’t really mind if they just added them as a default on cubecraft as long as they function(unlike the anticheat).

 

[Popcornman467]

Definitely solution #1. Removing it just makes people unhappy and solution #1 makes everyone benefit. Satisfying your players isn't always something you take into consideration, though.

https://www.cubecraft.net/threads/🥚-epic-eggwars-update-⚔️.256983/ LMAO

 

[Thomasje2121]

I think option 2 may be the best. We have all had moments where we are a one-hit kill and try to quickly retreat and heal back up. With a global use of damage indicators this would make it a lot harder. You can no longer get lucky duels and manage to heal up from half a heart. This will only increase targeting and in my opinion guessing a players health is part of the challenge of the game. Overall the gameplay would be more fun without it. Ive had fights where I notice that a player with for instance labymod suddenly fullon targets me.

 

[Popcornman467]

If option 1 was added, Please make it possible to turn off health indicators, I have never used it and dont want to start. i find it makes pvp way more easier and honestly less fun. kinda takes the skill out of it when you know how much health your enemy has at all times. For me i really dont care if it gets added or removed. I just dont want to be forced to have to use it.

????????? how does it make pvp easier? 1v1ing is not changed at all

 

[2DA50V2]

If everyone is going to know the healthpoints of their opponents, then people will clean even more and cleaners are already annoying, especially in game modes such as FFA or Sky Wars.
Not many people use a Damage Indicator and they don't seem to bother to download one.
I think everyone is fully aware of the advantages/disadvantages in fights when someone has a Damage Indicator.
However, people still don't seem to bother to download one.
Best solutions would 3 or 2 in my opinion

 

[FnigePython]

????????? how does it make pvp easier? 1v1ing is not changed at all

With hp bar:
*sees them at lower health compared to you, continues*
or
*sees them at higher health compared to you, runs*

Without:
Just keep guessing Just keep guessing (Risk vs Reward is a major part here)

 

[2DA50V2]

Turn On/Off Damage Indicator option

Now please allow me to explain myself.
There people who dislike the idea of a damage Indicator and some who like it but what if the Damage Indicator was an option to select.

What I mean is, what if cubecraft would have an option to allow you to turn on and off the servers damage Indicator.
What's the point of it?
Well, if you turn it off, you can't see the health points of everyone.
If you turn it on, you can see the healthpoints of everyone except the ones that turned it off.


It's not the best suggestion but perhaps maybe a good alternative in my opinion.

 

[Dubby Plays]

1st and 2nd solutions makes both the game fair for everyone...
But the 2nd one makes the game more interesting and strategic in my opinion.

Think about it: players can't know your health so you can keep hitting them with low health, making them thinking you're not afraid of getting hit. Or you can run away with high health, making them believe you have low health so you can tend them a trap.

So, with this, "bluffing" will become another important aspect of PVP. And I personally think it's way cooler than just easily know how many hits you still have to do to kill someone.

So my vote is:

Spoiler: oooooOooOOOOOOOOOOOO...

Solution 2

 

[FnigePython]

1st and 2nd solutions makes both the game fair for everyone...
But the 2nd one makes the game more interesting and strategic in my opinion.

Think about it: players can't know your health so you can keep hitting them with low health, making them thinking you're not afraid of getting hit. Or you can run away with high health, making them believe you have low health so you can tend them a trap.

So, with this, "bluffing" will become another important aspect of PVP. And I personally think it's way cooler than just easily know how many hits you still have to do to kill someone.

So my vote is:

Spoiler: oooooOooOOOOOOOOOOOO...

Solution 2

Solution 2 keeps the Risk vs Reward that was there without the health indicators.

And if i remember correctly, Risk vs Reward is usually a factor for good game design. S2 is literally just good game design

 

[Violentcreeper7]

solution 1

 

[SG_Jogik]

I don't know what it is, but it sounds nice :)

 

[Zathelas]

If you're an experienced pvp player like me or other people you know well when someone takes damage. For example SkyWars, I can think in my head when I'm hitting someone when he actually dies. Same goes for Lucky Islands, EggWars, etc. And yeah... I have damage indicators, but you can learn a lot of them with stratgies. So I actually voted on 3 but I also don't see the problem with solution 1. Maybe for newer players it's difficult to see when someone actually dies but that's what you learn a bit of.

 

[Marieke2001]

damage indicators don’t give you an unfair advantage,

Would you attack someone if you hit them a few times, but are unsure if they have 5HP or 2HP? Would you doubt wether you’d attack them if you’re 4HP yourself? If you see they have 2HP, wouldn’t you doubt anymore and start attacking, but when they have 5HP, would you run away? That’s where the whole discussion is about. It is unfair since you can make a decision based on what you see, not on what you have to guess. If you need to guess, you’re more likely to run away and regain health than when you know someone has a low HP. Same for cleaning.

 

[FnigePython]

Would you attack someone if you hit them a few times, but are unsure if they have 5HP or 2HP? Would you doubt wether you’d attack them if you’re 4HP yourself? If you see they have 2HP, wouldn’t you doubt anymore and start attacking, but when they have 5HP, would you run away? That’s where the whole discussion is about. It is unfair since you can make a decision based on what you see, not on what you have to guess. If you need to guess, you’re more likely to run away and regain health than when you know someone has a low HP. Same for cleaning.

honestly, the unknown health of the opponent is the only risk/reward thing out there in PvP that is consistently there

 

[Violentcreeper7]

honestly, the unknown health of the opponent is the only risk/reward thing out there in PvP that is consistently there

but still majority wants it to be implemented

 

[FnigePython]

but still majority wants it to be implemented

though it isnt overwhelming majority

 

[ReMD0G]

Though this might bring a downside for adding this. Lots of people fight in PVPgames and not really run away. If you add this you’d have to make the game longer cause, more people would run away more often. So you’d need to make the game a bit more longer. Also it is sooooooo hard to kill run-aways. Also it might make the games less boring cause you’d run away. A LOT!! That boring even if you are chasing.

 

[_The13thDoctor_]

Though this might bring a downside for adding this. Lots of people fight in PVPgames and not really run away. If you add this you’d have to make the game longer cause, more people would run away more often. So you’d need to make the game a bit more longer. Also it is sooooooo hard to kill run-aways. Also it might make the games less boring cause you’d run away. A LOT!! That boring even if you are chasing.

I've had games with mostly labymod users and I can guarantee most of them had health indicators on, pretty much almost every game didn't get dragged out unless another issue came up like late-game stalling or bows or pearls. Things that would stall some games. So I don't think this is valid.

 

[EggCracker12]

Solution 2 is the best because it means you have to be more skilled to estimate someone's health.
Solution 1 is fine but could lead to a lot of cleaning in games and make them less enjoyable

 

[lliinnn]

I chose solution 3 because I personally think its better not to change CubeCraft again since it has been changed a lot over the years.
(Not in a good way imo)

And if players really want to see the healthbar from other players then they can download forge/laby for that. I think that you will lose more players if you change CubeCraft again.
Thanks for asking us and goodluck with the result!