Hi Thijs, Klisee back again
Or I don’t even know if I should say "Thiijs." This feels like a response from other moderators, since the mods who just react and watch don’t seem to have their own judgment or original answers, probably out of fear. Since you mentioned being afraid to speak up or respond, there it is; this feels more like a joint response to my post rather than a response that is entirely yours or from individual moderators. Part of this response proves my complaint: a few put themselves out there while the others just watch without replying or just stay silent. Fazeoul’s response is 100% true; this isn’t a problem that started a few months ago, these are complaints you’ve been reminded of for years, and they are always ignored. But this time won’t be like that; take that into account. It seems like changes only happen under media and external pressure. And I’m not saying this because of you volunteers; you have a massive staff turnover, whether it's because people leave, go inactive, or quit for other internal or external reasons
For now, these are responses full of contradictions, and we’re going to break down each of your answers (or well, really your collective answers) because as usual, there’s never the courage to respond individually like I have the guts to do on my own. If I’m wrong, I personally invite the entire CubeCraft Team to answer me and not just send someone or the only one who had the courage to speak up
It’s always good to see opinions and perspectives from people who think differently. However, I am curious about the experience behind this view, as you haven’t been staff here before.
I wasn’t part of the CubeCraft moderation team, but I did have an early connection with someone who applied for helper, later became a helper and Moderator, and is now an ex-moderator: ElFlxen. Although I never had access to internal info, I had to experience the harassment he received firsthand and had to step in after he faced mass harassment and even threats of doxing, hacking, and death threats while he was a Moderator. You guys know this very well, and you know exactly what happened
Ideally, in a safe environment for your staff, this shouldn't be an issue. This shouldn't be a problem, and theoretically, they should be safe and able to do their jobs without issues. But no. I had to do the job that you guys (or well, really those who decide how moderation is handled, being Camezonda, Capitan, and the main owners Rubik, Marta, and Zed) should have done. At the end of the day, as you mentioned to me, you just follow orders and do your job to the best of your ability in your free time because you're passionate about it
Yes, transparency is important, especially when moderators have permissions such as banning. In my opinion, you are absolutely right on part of this point. I would prefer it if people could not see who handled their Sentinel appeal, as it doesn’t really add any value.
When it comes to reporting, I’m a bit more hesitant. It can be frustrating when you, as a volunteer, get hated on or shouted at for denying someone’s report. Speaking for myself, I don’t mind it too much, but we are still human (surprise).
I’m going back to the same point: the problem isn’t with the volunteers, it’s with the administration in general. You just said it yourself: you’d like to see changes in how things look and how they’re managed. You guys do everything you can to the best of your ability, and you don’t deserve the treatment you get from users and others.
You talk about how it’s also exhausting to receive nasty comments, to be hated, and it reaches a point where it’s overwhelming. It’s not the same when someone insults you as when someone mass-harasses you, tries to dox you, or intimidates you. When an organized group does it, it can no longer be ignored. Capitan told me 7 months ago to just ignore everything, and here we are with constant harassment. Would you like to live through that and not be able to do anything about it?
We try to be forgiving, as we are a Minecraft server for kids. People grow up (at least, we hope they do) and change. While some punishments will never be undone, such as network bans, others do allow for appeals and second chances.
I don’t fully understand what you mean by “people who actually gave their all to this community and invested their time into the server being cast aside.” I don’t see people being “cast aside.”
What a huge contradiction you just told me. You say you have to be lenient with players because they are kids, but further down you're telling me that it’s not the casuals, and specifically those young people, who are exposed. Speaking of kids, I’ll give you another contradiction in your own words: realistically, and according to Ziax Ltd's terms, it says you have to be 13 to play or at least have a guardian accept them. So, ideally, there are no kids. And well, as you can see in a response above mine, there’s a major complaint about Camezonda’s inaction in this case. How do you respond to that?
And as someone mentioned above, they aren't kids; they are mostly teenagers and young adults who have no control in their environments or here, and as mentioned, they use CubeCraft as their playground to do whatever they want. So, you’re admitting with your own words that the ones mostly doing things or receiving things aren’t casuals (though not always), and at the same time, you accept that you don't do much and try to be lenient because they’re "kids" who shouldn't even be there in the first place. At least in America, the Minecraft rating is Everyone +10, so there can only be kids from 10 to 12 years old, and even 12 is already a teenager or close to it, depending on how you look at it. Realistically, there are only kids or, in theory, kids from 10 to 11 or up to 12, and from 13 to 17 they are teenagers. You’re not just saying everyone is a kid, but by doing so, you are downplaying their responsibility for harassment or undesirable behavior
The idea of paying the moderation team is always an interesting topic, in my opinion. A team that currently consists of around 25 moderators would probably be reduced to only 3 or 4 people if the role were paid.
I also think a lot would change. Right now, moderation is voluntary, which makes it more relaxed and more interactive with the community. If it were a paid position, it would feel more like a job, and moderators would likely be more distant from the community. Outside of working hours, they simply wouldn’t be there.
One quick point as well: you mentioned that the server runs on volunteers handling player safety, which is not correct. Player safety is handled by paid staff. Also you said that you thought there was a small part of the moderation team being paid, which is not true. The only moderator who is currently paid is Capitan.
I spoke about prevention; it’s obvious you can’t rely on people’s goodwill. You mention and confirm to me that no one gets paid except for one person. That means the safety of 10,000 to 20,000 players depends on one or two or at most five people. Do you realize how terrible and dangerous that is?
My problem isn't with the volunteers, and I’ll say it again: it’s with the Admin Team and the owners, the ones who actually have control. You guys only support the server for the sake of supporting it, for the dream of being moderators; you only want to be mods out of passion and good faith. Although I have my doubts that a server can be maintained on good faith; you can’t maintain the safety of people you need with "love and good faith." It's not an option, it's common sense. Your effort is valued, and I’ve never said your effort is useless; what I’m saying is that your work isn’t being properly compensated.
Thiijs, tell me I'm lying. Tell me if you really believe what you do is compensated the way you'd want. Tell me, and let the others tell me, if you really believe you receive what your work and dedication deserve. Is the constant exposure and the risks you take really worth it? Especially when neither you nor anyone low-level in moderation can really say much. I’m still just another user; for you, one mistake and it’s all over and they’ll kick you out, just like they’ve kicked out so many people or they’ve left.
I don’t think it should be public information how we “execute” moderation. That would become very messy and would likely encourage people to look for grey areas in the rules. The duration of a punishment can already be requested by the punished player, so I don’t see why this information should be public either.
You talk about how the way these punishments are applied shouldn't be public, and I ask you: where does that actually happen outside of here? Look at any other prominent Bedrock server or platforms like Discord or YouTube. If they had a similar system, it would be an absolute disaster. Imagine if on YouTube it depended on the moderator, and when they gave you a strike, it told you who it was. That is definitely a terrible idea. I don't understand why the way you sanction shouldn't be public. You talk about grey areas, and guess what? People found the grey areas and they do things right on the edge of what’s sanctionable, but you can’t do anything because it’s a grey area. Do you see how this isn’t working?
A possible response might be: “Only explain non-obvious reports.” But then the question becomes: what exactly counts as a non-obvious report?
What exactly is a "not-so-obvious" report? It’s simple and super obvious. When a person breaks the rules, should they be sanctioned or not? Just as you mentioned, the way you sanction isn't public and the rules are unclear. So when a person is involved in a harassment case (and like the person above said, it was on another social media platform even though it's within the CubeCraft network), there isn't much to do because there’s too much of that grey area you talk about, and we end up right back where we started
There is, of course, a standard set of rules. However, moderators are trusted to make decisions on whether something is appropriate and to decide whether punishment is necessary.
Of course, it’s not a bad idea to give each moderator discretion on what is and isn’t right. But when favoritism, preferential treatment, and minor or major sanctions exist, you have a system that depends solely on the trust of people who aren’t direct employees of Ziax and who are exposed to giving preferential treatment to a certain group of users or a specific user. This causes even more grey area and more injustice and bad sanctions when applied. Can you imagine the disaster that would be on YouTube, Facebook, X, TikTok, etc.? It’s as if safety on platforms or online entertainment venues depended on unpaid people
You talk about how the way these punishments are applied shouldn't be public, and I ask you: where does that actually happen outside of here? Look at any other prominent Bedrock server or platforms like Discord or YouTube. If they had a similar system, it would be an absolute disaster. Imagine if on YouTube it depended on the moderator, and when they gave you a strike, it told you who it was. That is definitely a terrible idea. I don't understand why the way you sanction shouldn't be public. You talk about grey areas, and guess what? People found the grey areas and they do things right on the edge of what’s sanctionable, but you can’t do anything because it’s a grey area. Do you see how this isn’t working?
I hope that none of the moderators are afraid to punish someone, as that would be worrying.
And it should worry you more than you think that there’s any moderator who is afraid to punish. The vast majority are afraid to sanction or to get too involved with organized groups of harassers (the ones you call "kids" we should be benevolent toward). The last moderator who tried to put a real stop to them caused their own demotion, faced harassment for 7 months, and saw harassment toward other completely unrelated people. You guys have made those people untouchable because if you do anything to them, they’ll cause a massive drama you won't know how to control. That is called negligence and a cover-up
How are moderators not going to be afraid to do something? If they ban or sanction one of these leaders, they can cause a massive drama or even do something worse to them. And I’m not saying this in my isolated case; in this thread, you already have cases where people have been ignored and even the security staff is overwhelmed
FFA has always been toxic, Java or Bedrock, it doesn’t matter. I think this is mainly because it’s a competitive game mode, which makes sense. Because it is so competitive, players who don’t enjoy competitive games are less likely to play it. That also applies to part of the moderation team. While they will still handle reports related to FFA, they are not forced to play a game mode they don’t enjoy, which I think is a good thing and something we can all agree on.
Cheaters love FFA because they can join and immediately start causing problems, which is not the case in most other game modes.
The chat in this mode can be chaotic, I agree with that. For example, on Bedrock, a large part of the community speaks Arabic, while we only have three Bedrock moderators who speak Arabic. I think everyone can see the issue there. We are constantly working on improving the chat filter, and this is also an area where you could help us.
I hope you realized the terrible thing you just said. It’s more than obvious that a much more competitive mode tends to have much more toxicity, but you’re also downplaying the fact that in FFA, because it's very competitive, there’s always going to be toxicity and those types of things. This means you are minimizing and justifying the cases of harassment and doxing that happen within FFA
Once again, Thiijs, you just contradicted yourself. You’re telling me those types of cases aren't important because, in your logic, that’s the most normal thing in the world and you can’t do absolutely anything about it. Or well, if you can do something, it’s improving the chat filter in a very, very minimal way
And once again you’re proving me right, showing that you have absolutely no capacity to moderate FFA and that my concerns are valid. I can’t believe you said another absurdity, where you just mention that the only thing players have to do is not play there. But following the logic of a casual player, they could enter by mistake and be exposed to a completely unmoderated filter and a community that is toxic and dangerous to their integrity. What you just said is the equivalent of a police officer telling you not to walk through an area because you're going to get robbed
I’m curious how you see this. Should we predict that people are going to break rules? That doesn’t sound right to me.
I don’t know if you didn’t understand me or just read what you wanted. It’s called prevention, you know? If a person has constant minor sanctions, or even previous bans (even if they were permanent and later revoked), or is involved in harassment groups for which there is solid evidence (including the fact that other users they hang out with have received permanent bans or Player Safety reports), that should be enough reason for that player to receive a preventive ban. It seems like the moderation team is actually waiting for the worst to happen, and that is a lack of prevention. By the way, nice one Thiijs for ignoring my section on player prevention; your only excuse is "we can't predict a player's behavior," which is truly terrible
– An extra addition from myself: as a moderator, I think the moderation team deserves a bit more appreciation from time to time, not only from the community and players, but from the paid staff as well.
And the recognition is given to you. The problem isn’t with you volunteers; you are the lowest and most disposable part. You're doing the work that should be compensated with at least some money or rewards. The higher-up staff and the owners of Ziax should be demanded to compensate their staff properly
Remember this: the problem isn’t with the volunteers, and it seems sad to me that without pay, without much support, and with the possibility of receiving threats and constant harassment you stay. I’ll say it again in case you still don’t understand: the problem isn’t with the volunteers, it’s with Camezonda, it’s with Capitan, it’s with Rubik, it’s with Zed, and with Marta. You guys are replaceable, and at the end of the day, you're the ones at the bottom of all this. You don’t have to defend the indefensible
I’ll finish with this: it’s truly sad to see that while you give "hearts" and support to those who support you, you ignore the people who prove me right or people who expose harassment cases or genuine complaints. And don't come at me with "make a Team Feedback." If they are publicly exposing their cases and being ignored, why do you think they don't trust moderation? They expose their cases and get ignored, and you avoid giving support or even responding out of fear. Of course you’re afraid, and by ignoring us, you only prove I’m telling the truth
Klisee