Java Longtime Supporter, Lifetime Rank — Why Am I Being Left Out?

I have a feeling every legacy rank owner bought the rank with the expectation that the things they bought wouldn't be taken away. But the server shrunk so games were lost, now they add new games rather then even addressing the old games other then 'they won't be added' or something to that extent. And the fact that they had voting in the new games and now don't for months is a pretty fair reason to complain. If it was a mistake it should've been fixed from day one not months later leaving the legacy users to think they would get voting. I also know 90%+ legacy users wouldn't be complaining if new games were added on top of the new games and they didn't get voting because they would actually have the games they paid- some of them over a years worth of subscription for.

But we all know Cube doesn't care anymore, no matter how much low-effort damage control they try to do. Also to imply that what Cube is doing makes sense for any company is mental even while working for them. Also old ranks getting new perks 'on accident' is highly unlikely as to give old ranks new perks you would have to edit the old ranks so thinking about it, this whole old ranks losing perks could be seen as a ploy to advertise new features to legacy rank users which ended up wildly backfiring.

399k said:

Also old ranks getting new perks 'on accident' is highly unlikely

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Yeah, I was able to vote on POF for at least over a year, and now they're telling me it was never supposed to be that way?? That seems incredibly strange

Nightmare said:

I do not understand the point of the thread, no. Noone lost anything they paid for and i dont think there is much room for complaint that legacy rank holders dont keep getting free stuff, there is no "right for free stuff"

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You're in the wrong job if you don't actually understand the point of this thread.

And the overall messaging across most staff about this is issue is just sad. Saying that this change is fair and there is no reason to complain, when it just worsens the player experience for close to zero benefit to you.

Making the experience for players that have been active for years and also supported the server along that time worse doesn't feel like a good decision if you want keep them, and the whole community playing. if this is the way paying customers are treated, it definitely won't convince others to spend(waste) their money here.

Mod replying to all the backlash with just "should have read the TOS" as "feestja" replied in discord is just laughable. If this is the way the staff team want to communicate with the community I don't see any possibility for cubecrafts success in the future.

Sure make changes like these if, for a very modest short-term increase in profit, you're ready to kill any momentum the java server got with the addition of POF. Turning the player count spiraling downwards like before and back to the slow death of the server that it's been on for years.

I don't personally even care about this update as I don't have a rank. Still having seen the way that you and the whole staff team talk about this issue just pisses me off. and I think that maybe seeing how most players have reacted to this update should get your brain ticking enough to realize why this is a bad change.

@S0UL wouldn't let me quote your first paragraph, but I was gonna make a thread on this, thanks for saving me some time lol.

The idea of a subscription rank on a low-activity Minecraft server has always been scummy to me. The benefits I payed for 6+ years ago should be as promised: "Lifetime." Forcing people to pay ultimately more than the original cost for less, in this case, to vote for ONE game is absolutely absurd. CubeCraft plain and simple doesn't care about their community, they demonstrate this time and time again over recent years by ignoring popular feedback and making terrible changes. They will never admit any fault and double down on things like this. By forcing legacy ranks, who helped get this server to this point with our support, to upgrade or just miss out is really sad. Another example of chasing hype and/or newer players and sacrificing the old community. Cube ultimately fails to see that by treating their older base of players badly like this will motivate newer players not to spend as opposed to getting them to buy ranks like they think. Even if it were Obsidian can vote and Iron/Diamond can map select I'm sure most would like it.

Nightmare said:

I do not understand this thread, claiming that permanent ranks lost perks is just false, they just dont get any new ones. Maintaining two rank systems at once when one is already deprecated makes no sense for any company

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We had the ability to vote in this game for months, and before you claim it wasn't intentional how on earth does it go that long without anyone noticing? You are part of the QA team, your job involves testing features and finding and reporting bugs. How is it none of you noticed this to begin with? This is a result of negligence or incompetence, neither of which is fair to the community.

Nightmare said:

I do not understand the point of the thread, no. Noone lost anything they paid for and i dont think there is much room for complaint that legacy rank holders dont keep getting free stuff, there is no "right for free stuff"

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If you can't understand the point of a feedback and discussion thread? Wow. Complaints aside, feedback is feedback and if that's how you want to treat it then this server has no sense of community or future. We aren't even asking for "free stuff" we want our original rank agreement to be respected and the mistake you let go on for months to be acknowledged and reverted as it's like teasing players and pulling it back when you realized you needed more money out of it.

kopo said:

You're in the wrong job if you don't actually understand the point of this thread.

And the overall messaging across most staff about this is issue is just sad. Saying that this change is fair and there is no reason to complain, when it just worsens the player experience for close to zero benefit to you.

Making the experience for players that have been active for years and also supported the server along that time worse doesn't feel like a good decision if you want keep them, and the whole community playing. if this is the way paying customers are treated, it definitely won't convince others to spend(waste) their money here.

Mod replying to all the backlash with just "should have read the TOS" as "feestja" replied in discord is just laughable. If this is the way the staff team want to communicate with the community I don't see any possibility for cubecrafts success in the future.

Sure make changes like these if, for a very modest short-term increase in profit, you're ready to kill any momentum the java server got with the addition of POF. Turning the player count spiraling downwards like before and back to the slow death of the server that it's been on for years.

I don't personally even care about this update as I don't have a rank. Still having seen the way that you and the whole staff team talk about this issue just pisses me off. and I think that maybe seeing how most players have reacted to this update should get your brain ticking enough to realize why this is a bad change.

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This is so valid, it's even worse knowing how great CubeCraft was a few years back. If only they had the sense to go back to some of those values. Listening to community, updates feedback being collected before/after, respectful discussion, etc.

This change doesn't really affect me that much since I only play Eggwars, but in my opinion people who paid for a permanent rank which has perk to vote on all gamemodes, should be kept that way. Even if the gamemode is new.

Also what if Cubecraft removes all old gamemodes in the future? Obviously we still have more cosmetics, bigger party sizes and more friend space, but it would make legacy ranks kind of useless, since I'd imagine most players who currently have a rank would not want to play if they can't vote on their favourite gamemode.

Lmao, all these years and most ppl of the staff team are still ignorant and living in their own world, making their problem, our problem and expect us to just 'deal with it'.

Nightmare said:

I do not understand this thread, claiming that permanent ranks lost perks is just false, they just dont get any new ones. Maintaining two rank systems at once when one is already deprecated makes no sense for any company

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If you don't understand then why reply in the first place without a proper elaboration. In fact we did lose perks- especially if we wouldn't get any new ones. And as stated above by other members, we lost the perks of voting in POF (since it was possible before) even if it wasn't supposed to. Therefore it wasn't necessarily the community's decision to make you maintain two rank systems (correct me if i'm wrong)- and if it makes no sense, then why have it in the first place?

Nightmare said:

I do not understand the point of the thread, no. Noone lost anything they paid for and i dont think there is much room for complaint that legacy rank holders dont keep getting free stuff, there is no "right for free stuff"

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Again, if you don't understand the point, then why reply and defend something you don't understand? Isn't it better to just ask instead of jumping into conclusions or make a better statement of why this thread is 'just false'?

Where do you even get 'right for free stuff' from? There is litterally no one asking or complaining about 'not getting free stuff'.

to make it a little simpler-
If voting for games is a PERK (legacy ranks) then it should still be a perk for new games, since it has voting options.

Nightmare said:

i dont think there is much room for complaint that legacy rank holders dont keep getting free stuff, there is no "right for free stuff"

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The only problem with this is that as new Gamemodes come through and old games get phased out or outnumbered, (As most games do at some point) the rank becomes worth less and less until it practically has no value. And besides, long-time players that have supported the network for a long time are rare, and should be treated with respect, as they are the ones that got your network off the ground. Without them Cube would simply not have thrived and become the server it is today. Sure, Cube might not get as much money, but disregarding the original players does not make the server look good and might cause your long-time supporters to leave. While I agree that subscription-based Ranks would be fine here on out, The OG's who purchased the old perm ranks should still receive the perks that the subscription-based ones get.