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Discussion in 'Hardware' started by ThatGrimCreeper, Jun 11, 2016.

  1. ThatGrimCreeper

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    Hi guys, ive been planning on building my own gaming pc lately, and ive been given the all clear by parents to be allowed to buy the parts this weekend. Before i buy them, i'd like your opinion. If there is anything you think i should spend up to £50 more on then tell me, as i may be able to fork out a bit extra if it will make a difference.

    Here is the PC Part list:

    http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/tNzP6X

    *i already have a gaming mouse (logitech G402) and im perfectly happy with it*

    If you could recommend any good keyboards under £50 then that would be great, if you think you know a better monitor under £150 then please tell me (no bigger than 25" or it hurts my eyes).

    Thanks

    James Lawrence
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    I think you did a great job but this is not perfect, the cooling doesn't look that good and I would recommend the Arctic i32 as a CPU cooler and 1-3 case fans with a high CFM flow. AMD will also soon put up the RX 480 GPU for sale which will cost $200 for the 4GB version and $230 for the 8GB version, I would get a 4GB version for minecraft on 1920x1080 resolution but if you get a higher resolution monitor and are playing on very high resolutions I would get the 8GB version. Instead of using that MSI GPU you could switch to using the RX 480 when it goes up for sale quite soon, AMD said it is meant to perform between the GTX 970 and the 980, you might be able to get some better value if you use that and depending on what you're doing, you might need some more storage like a 1 or 2TB Western Digital HDD especially if you are storing big files like youtube videos. If you decide to use the RX 480 that is where you could get some extra money for cooling and storage. I think you did well though, nice job.
     
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    Thankyou very much for your suggestions, i had heard about the RX 480, however i had a very strong influence from a friend who previously used a r9 380, which burnt out on him. It's put a very negative view on AMD, and even if the performance is better i would stay with nvidia. About storage, i've had my laptop for 3 years and used 100GB including YT vids. I also have an external drive which i take to school e.t.c which i could store things on (1TB). Thanks so much for the suggestions! I do appreciate it, what i might do is in the future add a different graphics card in SLI e.g the 480 :-D
     
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    Your welcome, and I only heard about this today, but 2 days ago on the website Videocardz.com there was an article posted about the Sapphire RX 480, and 8GB version and it looks quite nice. there are rumors that the RX 480 will go up for sale on the 29th of June and if you don't want an AMD card, Nvidia are realeasing new graphics cards too, so you might be interested in them. I will make an assumption that when the GTX 1060 comes out it should be less than $300 and I think that is around 210 Pounds so it might be something you will be interested in but there is no confirmed release date for it, Nvidia have already released the GTX 1080 and 1070 so the 1060 might come out in the near future but I am not completely sure.
     
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    I was looking at buying the 1070, but the UK price was £399, and around £350 for a MSI branded one. I was not prepared to spend that much when i only really play minecraft :-D
     
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    I think is better i7
     
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    Cost too much for me :-D
     
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    I just checked, and that is an insanely high price so hopefully soon a graphics card will come out which is optimal for whatever you like to do and hopefully there will be some good releases at E3 in 2 days but you don't really need anything improved for this and my suggestions were just for a more balanced PC, hopefully there are some graphics cards which are good, inexpensive and come out around E3. Good luck.
     
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    My dad literally purchased everything now :-D He said "If in the future you wanna upgrade, you can", so if i find that the 970 is underpowered, ill upgrade to the 1070 at Christmas....
     
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    Well, the 970 will probably be very good, my brothers have a 780 which is similar to the 970 and it works well. I have also made a value based build you might be interested which is similar to yours except I have changed a few things like the processor, PSU, RAM, case and cooling, it is a bit less expensive than your current build idea but I think that is only with Amazon Prime, and I don't think many people have that. Good luck and here is my idea. http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/8vLwPs I have used Crucial memory because it is affordable and I have heard great things about it, my brothers also use Arctic fans for their computer and it works greatly and is silent. My brothers' computer also uses the same network adapter and motherboard, all of those parts work greatly so that is why I have chosen them.
     
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    I'll have a look at the list. Thanks for the help
     
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    Well, good luck getting a good PC.
     
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    Hold off on buying a GPU. The Radeon RX 480 will be launching in about two weeks and will be better than the GTX 980 for around $200/£200.

    As for the rest of the build, I made a few adjustments:

    PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

    CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor (£194.99 @ Ebuyer)
    CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler (£26.99 @ Novatech)
    Motherboard: MSI Z170A GAMING M5 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (£127.54 @ More Computers)
    Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory (£53.99 @ Ebuyer)
    Storage: Sandisk Ultra II 480GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£96.79 @ Amazon UK)
    Case: NZXT H440 (Black/Red) ATX Mid Tower Case (£92.70 @ CCL Computers)
    Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA GS UK 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (£73.48 @ Amazon UK)
    Case Fan: Corsair CO-9050016-RLED 52.2 CFM 120mm Fan (£20.32 @ CCL Computers)
    Monitor: Asus VX248H 24.0" 60Hz Monitor (£145.03 @ Amazon UK)
    Monitor: Asus VS248HR 24.0" 60Hz Monitor (£105.89 @ CCL Computers)
    Keyboard: Corsair Raptor K30 Wired Gaming Keyboard (£41.89 @ Amazon UK)
    Other: RX 480 (£200.00)
    Total: £1179.61
    Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
    Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-06-13 01:11 BST+0100


    Changes I made:
    • Better, "tier-one" power supply (CX series PSUs should not be used in anything other than budget builds)
    • Better CPU
    • Better (and cheaper) monitor
     
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    I think that looks nice other than the price, I think you did well and that will probably be awesome if anyone had it. The RX 480 recently had some benchmarks released, and for the 4GB version it scored higher than the GTX 980 in Firestrike which was the only benchmark it was tested in. The graphics card used was an MSI RX 480.
     
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    It's only about £30 more than his budget. Swapping to an i5-6500 would fix that.

    I strongly advise against that motherboard. PC MATE motherboards are cheap because they are low-tier in quality for their chipsets. I wouldn't overclock much if at all on that board. You're also paying out the nose for a DDR3 RAM that doesn't allow easy expandability to 32GB. Also why is there an 802.11/n WiFi card in the build? OP didn't ask for WiFi, so spending money on a card with an old standard seems unnecessary. Also why is that monitor so expensive for a TN 1080p 60Hz panel? I think you should be more mindful of the prices and quality of the parts you choose.

    Anyway, I noticed that I left the old monitor choice in my build, so here it is without it.

    PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

    CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor (£194.99 @ Ebuyer)
    CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler (£26.99 @ Novatech)
    Motherboard: MSI Z170A GAMING M5 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (£127.54 @ More Computers)
    Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory (£53.99 @ Ebuyer)
    Storage: Sandisk Ultra II 480GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£96.79 @ Amazon UK)
    Case: NZXT H440 (Black/Red) ATX Mid Tower Case (£92.70 @ CCL Computers)
    Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA GS UK 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (£73.48 @ Amazon UK)
    Case Fan: Corsair CO-9050016-RLED 52.2 CFM 120mm Fan (£20.32 @ CCL Computers)
    Monitor: Asus VS248HR 24.0" 60Hz Monitor (£105.89 @ CCL Computers)
    Keyboard: Corsair Raptor K30 Wired Gaming Keyboard (£41.89 @ Amazon UK)
    Other: RX 480 (£200.00)
    Total: £1034.58
    Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
    Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-06-13 12:00 BST+0100

    It costs less than yours when you factor in the price of an RX 480, and while it may only have an i5 instead of an i7, the part quality is much better where it counts - motherboard, power supply, etc. - and it uses the case and keyboard OP put in his original build.

    Excuse me if my posts seem a bit harsh; I come from PMC where build threads are competitive.
     
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  18. Miles_Plays_MC

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    I am mindful of what parts I choose, the guy who made this thread never said that he was going to heavily overclock. Even if his PC will be for gaming I really still do not see why you would need to overclock that much if you have a great processor already. You also never need 32GB of RAM anyways, I could have chose a 2x8GB set of RAM but I didn't because 32GB of RAM is useless and I don't see why you should upgrade, you shouldn't need to upgrade to it and is known to barely increase your performance and it just uses more power and money. Can I ask why you are using a 52.2CFM cooler too since you implied he might be heavily overclocking, overclocking which the MSI PC Mate cannot handle, you need cool temperatures to overclock well and 52CFM doesn't seem good enough. I know the 83CFM CPU cooler could work greatly for processor overclocking but what about graphics card overclocking? Thanks for using your time to read what I said.
     
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    Let me break this up so it's a little easier to read:

    1. There is only one benefit in choosing the RAM you chose, and that is aesthetics. It's slower (albeit only slightly for gaming purposes), more expensive, and prohibits easy expandability (a hallmark of PC gaming), but it'll sure look nice. If that's what OP wants, we can't really stop him, but I would never suggest filling all the RAM slots if you don't have to (unless you only have two and you need dual-channel memory for integrated graphics).
    2. I didn't say he'd need 32GB of RAM now. In fact, 16 is overkill for most purposes, but you can get 16 gigs for pretty cheap nowadays so we both went that route. But why spend more money on slower RAM that makes you pay more later on when you decide to upgrade?
    3. It's fairly clear he doesn't need to overclock now, but several years down the road when his CPU is showing its age, with my build he could crank up the clocks and voltage and play games on ultra again. If he tried that PC MATE board, he might just start a fire because the voltage regulation on PC MATE boards is not that great.
    4. There is a point at which adding more case fans doesn't do anything, and that point is pretty early on (like after two or three fans). In fact, the H440 comes with three fans in the front and a fan in the back, so my guess as to why OP included the Corsair fan in his build is he wanted a little case lighting. I don't think he'll need it, but if he wants to spend a little on aesthetics that don't hamper performance or expandability, I won't stop him. The 212 EVO will let that i7 overclock and remain cool whether there are two fans in his case or ten, and the GPU is gonna run hot no matter what unless you put it under water. Here's a video that explains this better than I could:


    If we cut out the LED fan OP put in his build and swap the i5 out for an i7, we get a build that's still cheaper than what he originally started with:

    PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

    CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor (£260.28 @ Aria PC)
    CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler (£26.99 @ Novatech)
    Motherboard: MSI Z170A GAMING M5 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (£127.54 @ More Computers)
    Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory (£53.99 @ Ebuyer)
    Storage: Sandisk Ultra II 480GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£96.79 @ Amazon UK)
    Case: NZXT H440 (Black/Red) ATX Mid Tower Case (£92.70 @ CCL Computers)
    Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA GS UK 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (£72.78 @ CCL Computers)
    Monitor: Asus VS248HR 24.0" 60Hz Monitor (£105.89 @ CCL Computers)
    Keyboard: Corsair Raptor K30 Wired Gaming Keyboard (£34.99 @ Amazon UK)
    Other: RX 480 (£200.00)
    Total: £1071.95
    Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
    Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-06-14 00:03 BST+0100

    It has one of the latest i7's, it runs cool, it can overclock well, and it's easy to upgrade. What more could you want?
     
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    Still, what game needs 32GB of RAM and that RAM still might not have better frequencies, you have never tested those 2 sets to see which one is better. My brother's computer has 16GB of 6 year old RAM which runs games like DiRT Rally on ultra settings with great performance, and I have never seen it under perform in any game, I don't think RAM matters unless you have under 8GB. In a lot of benchmarks the 4790k performs better than the 6700k which is slightly cheaper even if the 6700k is newer technology. GPUs will always run quite hot but you can still do something to keep them cool. I am just trying to save money with the PC Mate motherboard and I know it might be bad for overclocking, if he has a CPU that good I don't know why he would still need to overclock in the future when most games only require a good i3 or i5 these days and the chances are that that processor will break before he needs to overclock it if he does and in the case that it is still working when he needs to overclock it he could just get a new motherboard. My brothers also use the exact same motherboard as I suggested and an Intel Pentium G3258 which they have overclocked to 4.3Ghz easily without any trouble and in the future and TheGrimCreeper probably won't even have to overclock his processor that much if he even does. I don't see your points and I know that there is a point where your extra cooling can loose efficiency once there are a lot of fans so why use that fan when you can get a cheaper fan with higher CFM and good lighting, I am referring to the Cooler Master Sickleflow which is cheap, has lighting and a 74CFM cooling flow even if the cooling limit has been reached. You are being a bit toxic, it is annoying so please stop and let me continue with my ideas and I will let you continue with yours.