Java Do something about winfarmers

[lavish]

Currently on CubeCraft there’s a big issue with win farmers that ruin games, especially for new players.

What they do:
- Join games as a party of 4
- Pick the smallest maps
- Vote for UHC items to make people leave

Because of that, a lot of players leave before the game even starts. What’s left is usually a few random players or new players against a full party of good players.
At that point the game is basically already decided. Even if there is one good player, it’s impossible for them to 1v4 a full team in UHC.

Why this is a problem:
- New players get wiped instantly
- The game just isn’t fun for them
- A lot of people leave the server after games like this and might never come back (Java is already declining in player count heavily. This isn't helping)

Another issue:
People who try to stop these win farmers sometimes get warned or banned for “harassing/following players,” even though they’re just trying to stop the problem.

Suggestion:
- Remove the entire UHC items mode (it’s the least popular mode and barely used)
- Either warn/ban win farmers that abuse this system
- At least don’t punish players who are trying to stop them

Right now this kind of stuff just makes the experience worse and pushes players away.

 

[FakeOP]

As far as i see removing uhc is like removing basic from skywars which a lot of ranked players use it ( including me) because its faster games .
These "win farmers" are players like you and me who invested alot of time into this server and sometimes money to buy ranks and got better with time .
Removing uhc from eggwars because some people dont like it might make the ranks useless , why would i buy a rank if i cant vote whichever mode i want .
We are all been "new players" before and got wiped fast from the game , but thats how we got better in the game in the first place , thats how we found friends that could push better players away and might win and get better with time .
There are always more maps available in eggwars . If u see the "win farmers " and u are anoyyed of them , just basicly leave and find another game .

 

[Nollq]

Even though I understand that it can be frustrating to run into parties a lot, I don't really see the issue since team games are designed to be played this way. People join with friends to have fun playing the game they enjoy and I don't see a reason to punish or discourage this. If some players prefer to play the game in a certain way, which is allowed, they should not have to be forced to play differently.

Additionally, following and targeting players across the network can easily become harassment since you are not allowing others to enjoy their time. Playing against certain players can be difficult, challenging or annoying for some and I can understand why they decide to leave. Constantly bothering these players is simply not the way to go.

For me personally, if I come across people that can/might outvote me or my party I leave the game and join a new one. Everyone is entitled to vote for whatever gamemode they enjoy playing and if you don't agree with it then you can always leave the map and join another one.

 

[Karajoo]

Currently on CubeCraft there’s a big issue with win farmers that ruin games, especially for new players.

What they do:
- Join games as a party of 4
- Pick the smallest maps
- Vote for UHC items to make people leave

Because of that, a lot of players leave before the game even starts. What’s left is usually a few random players or new players against a full party of good players.
At that point the game is basically already decided. Even if there is one good player, it’s impossible for them to 1v4 a full team in UHC.

Why this is a problem:
- New players get wiped instantly
- The game just isn’t fun for them
- A lot of people leave the server after games like this and might never come back (Java is already declining in player count heavily. This isn't helping)

Another issue:
People who try to stop these win farmers sometimes get warned or banned for “harassing/following players,” even though they’re just trying to stop the problem.

Suggestion:
- Remove the entire UHC items mode (it’s the least popular mode and barely used)
- Either warn/ban win farmers that abuse this system
- At least don’t punish players who are trying to stop them

Right now this kind of stuff just makes the experience worse and pushes players away.

I understand your point, but it’s strategy.
The best thing you can do is team up with more people who have rank and vote against it; I’m not a fan of UHC, and when we run into people like that, we vote for OP and the mode with the most votes wins.


The players who leave do so because they don’t like that mode, and that’s fine. If you don’t have rank or the votes weren’t enough to play it the way you want, you have to leave—it’s democracy xD.


I recommend buying rank so you can vote for the mode you prefer, or getting really good at UHC so you can beat them. ILY

 

[Loskol]

Having the ability to vote for Hardcore items, but making it illegal to play hardcore items with a party of 4 players would be one of the most stupid things a server could do. The only solution for this problem would be to remove hardcore items mode, but even that is pointless since you can just leave the game if you know your enemy team will vote for hardcore items.

I know that there are players with high enough ego who are trying to follow these players who vote hardcore items, but seriously you don't have to prove anything by trying to beat them in the hardcore items game if you hate playing like that. Just leave and join another lobby. It's that simple.

 

[lavish]

I understand your point, but it’s strategy.
The best thing you can do is team up with more people who have rank and vote against it; I’m not a fan of UHC, and when we run into people like that, we vote for OP and the mode with the most votes wins.

They would then leave and harass new players again

Having the ability to vote for Hardcore items, but making it illegal to play hardcore items with a party of 4 players would be one of the most stupid things a server could do. The only solution for this problem would be to remove hardcore items mode, but even that is pointless since you can just leave the game if you know your enemy team will vote for hardcore items.

I know that there are players with high enough ego who are trying to follow these players who vote hardcore items, but seriously you don't have to prove anything by trying to beat them in the hardcore items game if you hate playing like that. Just leave and join another lobby. It's that simple.

You completely missed my point. I never said to disallow UHC for parties of 4. I said to completely remove the option from the game.


And "prove anything" No one is trying to prove anything they are trying to stop a game from dying because of winfarmers ruining the game for new players.

Even though I understand that it can be frustrating to run into parties a lot, I don't really see the issue since team games are designed to be played this way. People join with friends to have fun playing the game they enjoy and I don't see a reason to punish or discourage this. If some players prefer to play the game in a certain way, which is allowed, they should not have to be forced to play differently.

Additionally, following and targeting players across the network can easily become harassment since you are not allowing others to enjoy their time. Playing against certain players can be difficult, challenging or annoying for some and I can understand why they decide to leave. Constantly bothering these players is simply not the way to go.

For me personally, if I come across people that can/might outvote me or my party I leave the game and join a new one. Everyone is entitled to vote for whatever gamemode they enjoy playing and if you don't agree with it then you can always leave the map and join another one.

The ones harassing players are the winfarmers. 'Constantly bothering' them stops them from winfarming which helps new players. I find it funny that a lot of winfarmers are trying to argue with me.

As far as i see removing uhc is like removing basic from skywars which a lot of ranked players use it ( including me) because its faster games .
These "win farmers" are players like you and me who invested alot of time into this server and sometimes money to buy ranks and got better with time .
Removing uhc from eggwars because some people dont like it might make the ranks useless , why would i buy a rank if i cant vote whichever mode i want .
We are all been "new players" before and got wiped fast from the game , but thats how we got better in the game in the first place , thats how we found friends that could push better players away and might win and get better with time .
There are always more maps available in eggwars . If u see the "win farmers " and u are anoyyed of them , just basicly leave and find another game .

You can still vote what you want. UHC just isn't there anymore. Its a skillless gamemode anyway. You can say you have all been new players but that was when cubecraft had 10k+ active players. Those times are long gone. most days eggwars gets a player count of 100 max. A lot of these players are new. The game is being ruined for them.

 

[Loskol]

You completely missed my point. I never said to disallow UHC for parties of 4. I said to completely remove the option from the game.

- Either warn/ban win farmers that abuse this system

You also suggested to "either warn/ban win farmers that abuse this system", hence why I said that it would be stupid to make it illegal to vote for and play with hardcore items with a party of 4 players. So no, I didn't miss your point at all since you also suggested to punish players who "abuse this system", which in this case would be a party of 4 players voting for hardcore items like you mentioned in your original post.

What they do:
- Join games as a party of 4
- Pick the smallest maps
- Vote for UHC items to make people leave

And "prove anything" No one is trying to prove anything they are trying to stop a game from dying because of winfarmers ruining the game for new players.

You can't speak for everyone. I know multiple players who used to follow players just because they lost to someone. Trash talking and stalking someone after losing doesn't really sound like someone is trying to stop the game from dying if you ask me.

 

[lavish]

You also suggested to "either warn/ban win farmers that abuse this system", hence why I said that it would be stupid to make it illegal to vote for and play with hardcore items with a party of 4 players. So no, I didn't miss your point at all since you also suggested to punish players who "abuse this system", which in this case would be a party of 4 players voting for hardcore items like you mentioned in your original post.

'Abuse this system' isn't solely speaking about voting UHC it's about the complete concept.

You can't speak for everyone. I know multiple players who used to follow players just because they lost to someone. Trash talking and stalking someone after losing doesn't really sound like someone is trying to stop the game from dying if you ask me.

I must be reading a different thread than you. Where do I state I support people trash talking after losing a game. This thread is simply about stopping winfarmers it has absolutely nothing to do with a persons grudge against another because they lost to them.

 

[Loskol]

'Abuse this system' isn't solely speaking about voting UHC it's about the complete concept.

So if it's not solely about voting UHC as a full party of players, then how do you think moderators should determine when someone is breaking the rules and when not?

How many games do they have to play like this in order for it to be considered cheating? How does the moderator know if every player on that party wants to vote for hardcore items because they want fast wins, or if they just don't want to chase some runners in op items for 1 hour straight?

If you had a friend who wanted to play like this, would you now break the rules as well because you just wanted to play with him and not farm wins, but decided to vote for Hardcore items just because your friend wanted to do that? If not, then how do you expect moderators to know which ones on that party wants to farm wins and which ones are there just for fun? These are important questions that staff members have to know if it's not solely about voting for UHC items as a team.

I must be reading a different thread than you. Where do I state I support people trash talking after losing a game. This thread is simply about stopping winfarmers it has absolutely nothing to do with a persons grudge against another because they lost to them.

And "prove anything" No one is trying to prove anything they are trying to stop a game from dying because of winfarmers ruining the game for new players.

Nope, you aren't reading different thread than me. You replied to me that these people are trying to stop the game from dying because of winfarmers ruining the game for new players, instead of it being something to do with players with high ego who has something to prove. But you see, there are genuinely people who do follow people and focus full parties of people who vote for UHC items, not because they don't want the game to die, but because they indeed just got angry and now want to revenge them. I know this because I once was in a party with someone who wanted to vote for UHC items, and some players were just following us constantly while trash talking us. It had nothing to do with them wanting to save the game from dying. They just wanted to beat us because they got annoyed.

I hope this helps to clarify what I meant. Even if there are some users who may follow and focus these UHC voters, it doesn't mean that every one of them wants to do that because they want to save the game.

 

[lavish]

So if it's not solely about voting UHC as a full party of players, then how do you think moderators should determine when someone is breaking the rules and when not?

How many games do they have to play like this in order for it to be considered cheating? How does the moderator know if every player on that party wants to vote for hardcore items because they want fast wins, or if they just don't want to chase some runners in op items for 1 hour straight?

If you had a friend who wanted to play like this, would you now break the rules as well because you just wanted to play with him and not farm wins, but decided to vote for Hardcore items just because your friend wanted to do that? If not, then how do you expect moderators to know which ones on that party wants to farm wins and which ones are there just for fun? These are important questions that staff members have to know if it's not solely about voting for UHC items as a team.

Which is why I said "At least don’t punish players who are trying to stop them".

Nope, you aren't reading different thread than me. You replied to me that these people are trying to stop the game from dying because of winfarmers ruining the game for new players, instead of it being something to do with players with high ego who has something to prove. But you see, there are genuinely people who do follow people and focus full parties of people who vote for UHC items, not because they don't want the game to die, but because they indeed just got angry and now want to revenge them. I know this because I once was in a party with someone who wanted to vote for UHC items, and some players were just following us constantly while trash talking us. It had nothing to do with them wanting to save the game from dying. They just wanted to beat us because they got annoyed.

Don't see how this is relevant to my thread. I'm not talking about trash talkers, you can report trash talking at https://reports.cubecraft.net/report.

 

[Loskol]

Don't see how this is relevant to my thread. I'm not talking about trash talkers, you can report trash talking at https://reports.cubecraft.net/report.

I will explain this to you one more time. In this very thread, you claimed that people who follow and try to stop these players who are voting for UHC items, are doing it just because they don't want this game to die because of the win farming. And to this claim, I told you now 2 times already that some of these players are in fact doing the following because of their ego or/and because they just got mad for losing. Which obviously has nothing to do with trying to save the game from win farmers.

I really don't think that there is any simpler way to explain this to you, so I hope that the third time's a charm

Also this topic is in fact relevant to your thread since you are trying to claim that people who follow UHC voters are only doing it so that the game don't die. So if you don't want people to talk about that part of your thread, don't add it in your thread in the first place...

 

[lavish]

I will explain this to you one more time. In this very thread, you claimed that people who follow and try to stop these players who are voting for UHC items, are doing it just because they don't want this game to die because of the win farming. And to this claim, I told you now 2 times already that some of these players are in fact doing the following because of their ego or/and because they just got mad for losing. Which obviously has nothing to do with trying to save the game from win farmers.

You fail to see my point. You say that people who chase winfarmers will also trashtalk. I am saying that I'm not talking about those people, I'm simply talking about people that chase winfarmers. If there is people chasing others and trashtalking they should be reported and warned. I am simply saying that the action of chasing someone shouldn't be a warn nor a ban.

 

[Loskol]

You say that people who chase winfarmers will also trashtalk.

I say that some people trash talk and chase win farmers, not everyone. I am well aware that there are also people who just want this server to be better place, but from my own experience I can tell that some people chase win farmers just because they don't like them or because they lost against them. Not that I really cared about win farming like that, but I did sometimes play with some players who wanted to play that way, which honestly is the most boring way to play. Playing with hardcore items was always really boring even if I played alone. From that reason alone I don't really care if they removed Hardcore items as a whole, but I guess some people do like it so it's better to just keep the gamemode in the game.

I am simply saying that the action of chasing someone shouldn't be a warn nor a ban.

I guess it depends on how excessive it is, but I don't know. Haven't seen anyone getting banned because of this in the past even though there used to be a lot of players who chased and stalked people. But also I haven't been active on Cubecraft for the past 1-2 years so I don't know if the staff is more strict about it now.

 

[FakeOP]

You fail to see my point. You say that people who chase winfarmers will also trashtalk. I am saying that I'm not talking about those people, I'm simply talking about people that chase winfarmers. If there is people chasing others and trashtalking they should be reported and warned. I am simply saying that the action of chasing someone shouldn't be a warn nor a ban.

Its part of the rules for ages now ? Why change it now , its a disturbing behavior after all , they are using thier payed ranks and vote a gamemode thats have also been part of the game for so long ? Why remove it now ? Because u dont like it ?
You are free to dislike something about the game . I also dont like some maps , does that mean they should remove it now ?
Ofc not , its part of the game . Just get over it bro , its a simple math .
Dont like uhc = leave
You like uhc = stay
OR just simply buy a rank and try to outvote them.

 

[lavish]

From that reason alone I don't really care if they removed Hardcore items as a whole, but I guess some people do like it so it's better to just keep the gamemode in the game.

No one really ever enjoys UHC and it's only voted to winfarm.

I guess it depends on how excessive it is, but I don't know. Haven't seen anyone getting banned because of this in the past even though there used to be a lot of players who chased and stalked people. But also I haven't been active on Cubecraft for the past 1-2 years so I don't know if the staff is more strict about it now.

I was warned for it once and then false banned for it a 2nd time. (They said I was chasing when I wasn't) That's besides the point though it's stupid to even ban for it.

 

[lavish]

Its part of the rules for ages now ? Why change it now , its a disturbing behavior after all , they are using thier payed ranks and vote a gamemode thats have also been part of the game for so long ? Why remove it now ? Because u dont like it ?
You are free to dislike something about the game . I also dont like some maps , does that mean they should remove it now ?
Ofc not , its part of the game . Just get over it bro , its a simple math .
Dont like uhc = leave
You like uhc = stay
OR just simply buy a rank and try to outvote them.

Should I even reply to this. Make a normal sentence please. Also just because they paid for a rank does not mean something can't be removed. They can still vote for whatever they want. UHC just won't be apart of that. According to your logic they can't make changes to anything related to ranks.

 

[Daydosky]

Currently on CubeCraft there’s a big issue with win farmers that ruin games, especially for new players.

What they do:
- Join games as a party of 4
- Pick the smallest maps
- Vote for UHC items to make people leave

Because of that, a lot of players leave before the game even starts. What’s left is usually a few random players or new players against a full party of good players.
At that point the game is basically already decided. Even if there is one good player, it’s impossible for them to 1v4 a full team in UHC.

Why this is a problem:
- New players get wiped instantly
- The game just isn’t fun for them
- A lot of people leave the server after games like this and might never come back (Java is already declining in player count heavily. This isn't helping)

Another issue:
People who try to stop these win farmers sometimes get warned or banned for “harassing/following players,” even though they’re just trying to stop the problem.

Suggestion:
- Remove the entire UHC items mode (it’s the least popular mode and barely used)
- Either warn/ban win farmers that abuse this system
- At least don’t punish players who are trying to stop them

Right now this kind of stuff just makes the experience worse and pushes players away.

I think you are absolutely right, I don’t like winfarmers. Even though i beat them so easily

 

[HOTROD the 6th]

Well this is kind of win farming but it's still offering a challenge to the party who voted uh themselves
But where really winfarming is an ACTUAL problem is in the seasonal game of snowman survival where people tend to get a party of 8 people and start infecting each other, resulting in the end of the game in seconds, and mods back in December/January were after those guys, several of them were caught and banned (temp) and got their snowman survival stats wiped
It's against the rules and anyone who gets caught is immediately dealt with
You can report rule breakers here https://www.cubecraft.net/categories/player-reports.150/

 

[Loskol]

Well this is kind of win farming but it's still offering a challenge to the party who voted uh themselves
But where really winfarming is an ACTUAL problem is in the seasonal game of snowman survival where people tend to get a party of 8 people and start infecting each other, resulting in the end of the game in seconds, and mods back in December/January were after those guys, several of them were caught and banned (temp) and got their snowman survival stats wiped
It's against the rules and anyone who gets caught is immediately dealt with
You can report rule breakers here https://www.cubecraft.net/categories/player-reports.150/

Yeah that is the definition of win farming unfairly. I mean like it or not, but with UHC items players wont get any more unfair advantage against new players than they do in op items. I mean you could argue that because it's a party of 4 tryhard players that it's impossible for new players to win against, but how is it any different in overpowered items? We used to play op items with party of 4 on 16 player maps and we got the wins in less than 2 minutes. How is that any more fair against new players than the UHC items? Both games end fast since new players can't just keep up with 4 rushers who can beat one team of players alone. It's actually harder to do rushing one team alone in UHC since they can two shot you with anything (except if you make a bow). UHC items is only unfair against other good players, because they can't just rush middle and run like you could do in overpowered items. And if I'm not mistaken, this is also the reason why some of these "win farmers" vote for UHC items, because they want fast wins without encountering other good players who are known to run 30-60 minutes straight in 1v4 games.

 

[LeCastel]

I'll never understand the appeal of win-farming like that myself, but there's no real advantage they gain by having more wins? If they enjoy those kind of snoozefest games where they steamroll the few that stick around for uhc... good for them! Just because we don't see any fun in boring games like that doesn't mean others can't have fun with it. You just move on to the next when you see the uhc votes come in.

Either learn to deal with it and accept that you still won't always win, or leave whenever a party like that joins the game, or play a game mode that only has solo or duo teams.

There is nothing the server can do to prevent parties from joining and lets face it, you probably still won't be happy about them regardless of the gamemode. New player and solo/smaller parties will always be at a disadvantage to larger parties and or experienced players. This cannot be stopped. It's the nature of online gaming. Some push through, some won't and some will be okay with just playing for fun and not the wins.

Another issue:
People who try to stop these win farmers sometimes get warned or banned for “harassing/following players,” even though they’re just trying to stop the problem.

This is the only potential real issue here IMO, but... does this actually happen for real? I think not?

I've been the target for many players in 2 gamemodes for roughly a decade on Cubecraft at this point. I certainly have had to focus back on countless parties as a primary solo player too. And I've never heard of this happening, not to me or anyone else.

It's also not something that is explicately stated in the rules. Maybe you could log it underneath trolling... but eh I feel like this would have to involve a heavily biased mod to turn that into a warning or ban. Possible sure, a mod could abuse their powers, but I highly doubt this is happening on a large scale if at all. Is this something you can back up with evidence?