Java Should weakness arrows be removed from eggwars?

[xv56]

Weakness arrows are simply too overpowered and stall the game for far too long. They have too big of an impact on pvp and force the opponent to run away for the duration of the effect as a player with weakness has no chance against another player without any negative effects.

 

[yurisatori0312]

Weakness arrows are simply too overpowered and stall the game for far too long.

It is a powerful item that can turn the game around even if you have a difference in equipment.

 

[xv56]

It is a powerful item that can turn the game around even if you have a difference in equipment.

Its unfairly powerful and provides too big of an advantage in combat

 

[yurisatori0312]

Its unfairly powerful and provides too big of an advantage in combat

This is necessary for players with high ping to eliminate the gap between them and players with low ping.

 

[MrSheepBoss]

Hello, I don't even play Java but I feel like knocking people into the void or backstabbing them is an option even if ur affected by weakness.

 

[Thunder]

Hello, I don't even play Java but I feel like knocking people into the void or backstabbing them is an option even if ur affected by weakness.

Players can only be knocked by a weapon if you have the weakness effect. Hitting them with hand will not work. You will be at a huge disadvantage because there is an attack cooldown on Java.

 

[MrSheepBoss]

Players can only be knocked by a weapon if you have the weakness effect. Hitting them with hand will not work. You will be at a huge disadvantage because there is an attack cooldown on Java.

Thanks but I get that java has attack cooldowns and hand hits dont deal knockback under weakness, but even then, saying the player has "no chance" feels like an exaggeration ngl

There are still tons of options like projectiles, bridge fights, or baiting players, using the terrain and with a team.


Still at the end of the day, mechanics like this reflect the creativity and adaptability of the playerbase. cubecrafts pvp isnt just clicking fast, sometimes its about outsmarting your opponent.

 

[xv56]

Thanks but I get that java has attack cooldowns and hand hits dont deal knockback under weakness, but even then, saying the player has "no chance" feels like an exaggeration ngl

There are still tons of options like projectiles, bridge fights, or baiting players, using the terrain and with a team.


Still at the end of the day, mechanics like this reflect the creativity and adaptability of the playerbase. cubecrafts pvp isnt just clicking fast, sometimes its about outsmarting your opponent.

Part of the reason you are able to knock players off is the fact that you deal damage whilst knocking them back, forcing them to lose health and be unable to heal since they are near the edge. Weakness arrows make you deal no damage (not an exaggeration) which means that the player getting knocked back has an incredible number of opportunities to break free with jump resets and trying to hit the player back since they don't need to heal. They also fully counter strength (which costs 13 diamonds I believe) for only a couple gold. Overall, in the competitive scene, weakness is an insanely overpowered effect and does not belong in eggwars entirely, let alone in the form of dirt cheap arrows.

 

[xv56]

This is necessary for players with high ping to eliminate the gap between them and players with low ping.

That's a very flawed argument. First of all, most players with bad ping are the ones with an advantage but lets not get into that. Weakness arrows can be used by everyone, not just people with bad ping. The game is balanced around players with equal skill level and playing fields. In such a scene, the weakness arrows are beyond overpowered.

 

[yurisatori0312]

That's a very flawed argument. First of all, most players with bad ping are the ones with an advantage but lets not get into that. Weakness arrows can be used by everyone, not just people with bad ping. The game is balanced around players with equal skill level and playing fields. In such a scene, the weakness arrows are beyond overpowered.

Just because the Weakeness Arrow is strong doesn't mean it should be removed.

 

[xv56]

Just because the Weakeness Arrow is strong doesn't mean it should be removed.

I might need to change the post a bit. I should add the option for them to get nerfed, maybe costing diamonds instead of gold or reducing the duration of the effect by 70%

 

[yurisatori0312]

I might need to change the post a bit. I should add the option for them to get nerfed, maybe costing diamonds instead of gold or reducing the duration of the effect by 70%

Are you misunderstanding the duration of Weakeness Arrow's effect?
The effect lasts for about 30 seconds

 

[xv56]

Are you misunderstanding the duration of Weakeness Arrow's effect?
The effect lasts for about 30 seconds

It's about 11 seconds in eggwars. a 70% nerf will change that to 3-4 seconds which is fairer at the very least

 

[yurisatori0312]

It's about 11 seconds in eggwars. a 70% nerf will change that to 3-4 seconds which is fairer at the very least

If weakening it makes it fair, wouldn't it be fair not to weaken it?

 

[Herrrooo]

It's a difficult one to be honest. On one side I can see where you're coming from, on the other hand I think arrows with effects in general add a bit of spice to the game as they give the bow another function, besides just tossing people into the void. There are of course also other effects besides 'Weakness', but now that I think of it, perhaps the 'Weakness' effect serves as a nice counter to people (ab)using strength potions :>.