All Networks Moderators Requiering Proof For Punishment

[Shadow Gaming.]

After checking out https://www.cubecraft.net/threads/team-cc-ranks-description.225878/ it says mods are allowed to punish others and PROOF ISNT NEEDED?? That makes absolutely no sense. You always need proof since if you dont that would just give mods+ a free ticket for abusing. Punishing others for no reason. And there wont be a problem. Theres no way in hell proof isnt needed. Make it proof IS needed

 

[Tatsu]

After checking out https://www.cubecraft.net/threads/team-cc-ranks-description.225878/ it says mods are allowed to punish others and PROOF ISNT NEEDED?? That makes absolutely no sense. You always need proof since if you dont that would just give mods+ a free ticket for abusing. Punishing others for no reason. And there wont be a problem. Theres no way in hell proof isnt needed. Make it proof IS needed

Hello,

When it says that “proof isn’t needed,” it doesn’t mean mods can punish players for no reason. CubeCraft staff trust their moderators to act responsibly and they are all well trained to catch cheaters. In practice, it usually refers to situations where something is happening right in front of a mod, like someone blatantly cheating, spamming, being toxic, or breaking the rules in an obvious way. In those cases, the mod doesn’t need to spend time collecting screenshots, videos, or other external evidence to act, they can take action immediately to prevent the disruption from continuing.

At the same time, there’s still accountability. If a player thinks a mod acted unfairly, they can report it or give feedback to higher staff (with supporting evidence), who will review the case. So it’s really about speed and efficiency in enforcing rules, not giving mods unlimited power to punish players arbitrarily.

 

[Shadow Gaming.]

Hello,

When it says that “proof isn’t needed,” it doesn’t mean mods can punish players for no reason. CubeCraft staff trust their moderators to act responsibly and they are all well trained to catch cheaters. In practice, it usually refers to situations where something is happening right in front of a mod, like someone blatantly cheating, spamming, being toxic, or breaking the rules in an obvious way. In those cases, the mod doesn’t need to spend time collecting screenshots, videos, or other external evidence to act, they can take action immediately to prevent the disruption from continuing.

At the same time, there’s still accountability. If a player thinks a mod acted unfairly, they can report it or give feedback to higher staff (with supporting evidence), who will review the case. So it’s really about speed and efficiency in enforcing rules, not giving mods unlimited power to punish players arbitrarily.

I get what you mean. But I meant they can fake punish someone for spamming and they say its to keep the disturbance not going so we dont get proof. Even if theyre trusted dosent mean they dont have the power to abuse too. If they dont need proof who knows what they CAN do. (No offense to mod+ players)

 

[Keanu]

calling mods abusers is quite an accusation and generalising, isnt it?

 

[S4nne]

Moderators will never punish players without having a valid reason. Sometimes we do in fact gather evidence to back up our punishments, or if we want to discuss it with other moderators. I also clip things sometimes to double-check if a player was really breaking the rules, because sometimes things happen too fast to judge in real-time. However, it is far from efficient to gather evidence for every single punishment we issue. It would slow down our work when we handle reports, and our PC storage would be full of clips and screenshots of players breaking the rules, while the majority of these files are never used or looked at again.

After all, we have a well-trained moderation team with moderators who have proven to be trustworthy. This already starts at recruitment, where we select the best candidates who meet the requirements, standards, and values that we believe helpers should have. If they meet these standards, they will get invited for an interview where we can get to know them a bit better. Once they get accepted into the team, they are being trained with the help of our helper mentors, and only if they have proven themselves and pass the training, they will be rewarded with the moderator role.

It is possible that despite this whole process, concerns may still arise. We take any concerns about our team seriously. If a player believes that a moderator is handling unfairly, they can report this by submitting team feedback, which will be reviewed carefully, and appropriate action will be taken if deemed necessary.

 

[LukaG_]

Hello!

It's been a while since I wrote anything here, but this caught my eye and I decided to also share my experience and a few other points, to explain the entire situation from another perspective.

For starters, I absolutely understand why Moderators do not need evidence to punish rulebreakers. And it doesn't boil down to just one thing, but it comes down to a multiple number of reasons. As mentioned before those are the trustworthiness of the moderators, the fast pace nature of the cheating that actively happens and the volume of the rulebreakers alone. I'll touch on all of those a bit more.

Number 1: The trustworthiness of the moderators. Believe me, if you try to go into getting the moderator position just so that you could unfairly punish the players, I can assure you, it's not going to happen. While I'm allowed to discuss the helper application and trial in too much detail (as far as I know), I can tell you that the process is neither short nor simple. Each applicant goes through multiple stages in both the application and later the helper trial ensuring the players getting their positions are ready to take on the responsibility. As mentioned by Sanne, a lot of background checks and an interview happen before you even get to helper and the process also takes quite a while, time where you have to prove yourself and show your actions as a community member. And than the real work starts. Helper trial consists of a lot of learning, practicing and tests and is a very well designed course to guide you through learning everything you could encounter as a moderator as well as testing you on all of that. And you only get through, if you have all of the required knowledge and trust, to do so. Believe me, I've been there.

Number 2: The fast pace nature of cheating. When it comes to cheaters, from what I've seen in my 8 years of playing Minecraft, they can be very resourceful. And they come and go very very quickly. Many of them even use accounts they bought for so so cheap, that they don't even care about their punishments and never appeal them. And sometimes, you really do not have the time to get enough good quality evidence to be able to justify the punishment from that evidence alone. Maybe you started recording too late, maybe something corrupted the recording, maybe you were handling another situation and someone blatant just come across your screen. You catch them, you get their name (and no moderator is going to punish without being sure about the player's username) and you ensure that no other players games are ruined by that player.

Number 3: The volume of rulebreakers alone. And I know Sanne already talked about how much space all of those recordings and screenshots take up on your computer, but that's not the only volume. If I firstly comment just on the recordings part, the helper trial usually lasts a month (you can check the team history) and while I never completed it to the end, I still did most of it. And as you can see from the list of ranks, helpers cannot punish, we just gather evidence and reported the rulebreakers. My folder from that one month (I still have it), it is 6.61 GB. One month. Now imagine, being a staff member for a year, maybe 3 years... Yeah, the number adds up. And moderators are way more experienced than helpers so they do even more volume. And secondly, the amount of cheaters can sometimes be quite large. While you are a player, you might spot a hacker, record them, submit the report and than move on, while being a helper or moderator that is taken on a whole new level. Staff members are actively hunting rule breakers. They are where most players are and handling those situations. When you are dealing with such a volume, your first priority is to make sure that the player in question is breaking the rules, verifying that with everything you have learned and than punishing the player, so that you can move on to the next one. When everything is obvious, there really is no need for specific video proof and if anything is questionable, even a very experienced Senior Moderator, gets the proper evidence to back up their punishment.

I know some of the points made have been repeated from what others have said before me, but I still wanted to include them, since while I was a helper for a short period of time, I was never promoted to moderator and everything I spoke of was only my experience and how I look at the entire situation as a regular player.

Hope this helped.

LukaG_

 

[Shadow Gaming.]

calling mods abusers is quite an accusation and generalising, isnt it?

I really dont mean it like that or accusations, i just think its for the best that evidence IS gatherd no matter what the situation is.

Moderators will never punish players without having a valid reason. Sometimes we do in fact gather evidence to back up our punishments, or if we want to discuss it with other moderators. I also clip things sometimes to double-check if a player was really breaking the rules, because sometimes things happen too fast to judge in real-time. However, it is far from efficient to gather evidence for every single punishment we issue. It would slow down our work when we handle reports, and our PC storage would be full of clips and screenshots of players breaking the rules, while the majority of these files are never used or looked at again.

After all, we have a well-trained moderation team with moderators who have proven to be trustworthy. This already starts at recruitment, where we select the best candidates who meet the requirements, standards, and values that we believe helpers should have. If they meet these standards, they will get invited for an interview where we can get to know them a bit better. Once they get accepted into the team, they are being trained with the help of our helper mentors, and only if they have proven themselves and pass the training, they will be rewarded with the moderator role.

It is possible that despite this whole process, concerns may still arise. We take any concerns about our team seriously. If a player believes that a moderator is handling unfairly, they can report this by submitting team feedback, which will be reviewed carefully, and appropriate action will be taken if deemed necessary.

yes. but i was thinking it would be better with evidence. i mean i get what you mean, however even if someone is really good they should requier evidence. not just because they are deemed trustworthy and passed training and some form dosent make them unable to do anything. Im sorry if im offending anyone here but i dont mean it that way. i just think we should have proof specially for a network this big.

 

[AliWarrior]

I really dont mean it like that or accusations, i just think its for the best that evidence IS gatherd no matter what the situation is.

yes. but i was thinking it would be better with evidence. i mean i get what you mean, however even if someone is really good they should requier evidence. not just because they are deemed trustworthy and passed training and some form dosent make them unable to do anything. Im sorry if im offending anyone here but i dont mean it that way. i just think we should have proof specially for a network this big.

i am sure moderators are trained to make fair judgment calls, and in clear cases like blatant cheating or spamming, waiting for proof would only slow things down while the problem keeps going. If you ever feel a decision was wrong you can always appeal on the site or contact with that moderator to have it reviewed.

 

[Shadow Gaming.]

i am sure moderators are trained to make fair judgment calls, and in clear cases like blatant cheating or spamming, waiting for proof would only slow things down while the problem keeps going. If you ever feel a decision was wrong you can always appeal on the site or contact with that moderator to have it reviewed.

I do understand. but a screenshot isnt something hard and can be always deleted if its storage stuff.

 

[LeCastel]

Moderators can make mistakes. Which is why you can appeal, sadly even that may not always work out. But in my what decade of being on Cubecraft (and I've been very active at times) I've only dealt with 1 bad moderator. So odds are, it's just fine. I'd assume that most of the time when people do /report it's a blatant hacker too. Better to get those banned fast than to have to record, upload and whatnot.

 

[LukaG_]

I do understand. but a screenshot isnt something hard and can be always deleted if its storage stuff.

Yeah, screenshots never were and never will be a problem. They are very easy to obtain, since you can just scroll up your chat history or usually catch up to the player if they for example have an inappropriate skin. But screenshots are not enough evidence for most of the really problematic rule breaking situations, that's where you need video proof and that's where the before mentioned problems arise.

Moderators can make mistakes. Which is why you can appeal, sadly even that may not always work out. But in my what decade of being on Cubecraft (and I've been very active at times) I've only dealt with 1 bad moderator. So odds are, it's just fine.

Of course, they are after all humans and to be wrong and make mistakes is human. It can never be a perfect system, even with evidence, it can happen that not everyone agrees on a punishment. But from my experience and knowing the staff members, I'd say they are very good and are there for a very specific reason.

I'd assume that most of the time when people do /report it's a blatant hacker too.

It's been 2 years since I was helper and really played Minecraft a lot (mostly moved on now), so I'm not sure how things are currently, but yea, if you see someone in full diamond gear flying across the entire FFA map at lightning speed, than there really isn't a lot to think about...

Better to get those banned fast than to have to record, upload and whatnot.

Exactly that yes. And also, it's not even that simple, that you'd just have to record it and upload it. While I'm not allowed to talk specifics, as you can probably imagine all staff members have access to internal staff tools used for moderation none of which are allowed to be visible anywhere. So if you want evidence that you can share with the player as evidence, you have to be very careful when it comes to recording...

 

[ペッか♡]

This post is just cynical and lacking good faith tbh