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Hate Speech..

"Online hate speech is a type of speech that takes place online with the purpose of attacking a person or a group based on their race, religion, ethnic origin, sexual orientation, disability, or gender."

Cubecrafts Problem..

"Any message sent with the purpose to offend a player or group of players based on their race, religion, sexual orientation, gender, etc. is considered Hate Speech and is not allowed on our server."

This is a quote from Cubecrafts official server chat rules (https://www.cubecraft.net/rules). And it seems very much clear and very much understandable. Any piece of speech or message sent with the sole purpose to offend, insult and overall bully someone due to any factor of their being should be punished very, very harshly.

Yesterday, I encountered three people sending hate speech messages in a minerware game against gay people, these messages were sent with the sole purpose to insult, and offend people. I reported these people and two of them were muted for hate speech, as I expected. But one was just warned for swearing.

My feedback is that Cubecraft should take the rules they have set out seriously, and punish for what the user has done. Everyone playing on Cubecraft has joined the server to play and therefore must follow Cubecraft rules to ensure fair play and ensure no one feels unwelcome or insulted, or bullied by anyone at Cubecraft. Everyone joining Cubecraft deserves respect.

The player i've mentioned above, first said, "vote hard ore your g.y" and then as many others came along and sent other hate speech messages, for example, "They are a danger to humanity", "gay people suck", the player decided to send messages like "haha" and "haha you got personally attacked" to messages above, like "they are a danger to humanity". Now, i ask you, were these messages sent with the sole purpose to offend a player based on there sexuality - Yes, they were - And there's no other answer. insulting someone by using gay as an insult is one thing but sending messages laughing at others constantly insulting and sending offensive messages is another.

Cubecrafts rules officially state, "with the purpose to offend", these messages were sent with no other reasoning or purpose but to offend. All users have agreed to the rule and wording of it above and should follow it. The user I reported did not. Yet they're left off with a warning for "swearing". This is the same punishment you can recieve for saying "hi" three times in a lobby, but now it's being used for hate speech.

It is not fair that saying "hi" three times has much the same punishment track as insulting people based on their sexuality. Saying "vote hard or you're g.y" should be punished for what it is - hate speech - as well as this they have bypassed the Cubecraft chat filter JUST to insult people. And this, might I ask, according to Cubecrafts moderation system is not "purpose to offend?";

  • Using gay as an insult
  • laughing at other hate speech messages
  • Bypassing the chat filter JUST to OFFEND and INSULT and BULLY people based on their sexuality.
If this is not a prime example of "purpose to offend", as stated by Cubecraft, I don't know what is. All people in this planet have the right to respect, not just in Cubecraft. And this is far from respect.

In Conclusion...

Everyone agrees to Cubecrafts rules, the wording of them, and the punishment tracks with them if they are playing the server. If they don't agree, don't play Cubecraft. And if they do agree but decide to rule break, get ready for the punishment track they have agreed to. Cubecraft should be punishing users for these messages under what they are, and that's hate speech, not "swearing"

reference to this thread: https://reports.cubecraft.net/report/evidence/JUN1jb0hDPayqejPM5Qo
 

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i honestly think there is a major difference between saying "gay people are a danger to humanity" and "vote xxx or ur gay L"
one is with the sole purpose of starting a discussion/a pure insult, other one is some overused online swear word to get someone to vote something or just tryna be funny.
 

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i honestly think there is a major difference between saying "gay people are a danger to humanity" and "if u vote xxx ur gay L"
Was that message sent with the sole purpose to offend, because if it was it fits perfectly under Cubecrafts hate speech punishment. You also gave no reasons so i don't really understand
 

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Was that message sent with the sole purpose to offend, because if it was it fits perfectly under Cubecrafts hate speech punishment. You also gave no reasons so i don't really understand
i just edited my reply :p i realized that when i posted it

but i personally see like quite a difference between the two. the term gay is overly used online, and honestly lost its power over the years. yes, it is meant solely as an insult/message to upset others, but instantly muting for 14 days is a bit..too much. i feel like how we do it right now is perfectly fine tbf

also, keep in mind my opinion is, well, mine and does not represent the opinion of the staff team/admin team in the slightest bit
 
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but i personally see like quite a difference between the two. the term gay is overly used online, and honestly lost its power over the years. yes, it is meant solely as an insult/message to upset others, but instantly muting for 14 days is a bit..too much. i feel like how we do it right now is perfectly fine tbf
My opinion is, everyone joines Cubecraft agreeing to there rules and should follow them. Letting people off with a warning for swearing and not punishing for what it is which is hate speech is wrong imo. It may have lost "power" over time, but that doesn't mean it doesn't hurt people, and no one deserves any sort of hurt, bullying or insults on a minecraft server
 

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My opinion is, everyone joines Cubecraft agreeing to there rules and should follow them. Letting people off with a warning for swearing and not punishing for what it is which is hate speech is wrong imo. It may have lost "power" over time, but that doesn't mean it doesn't hurt people, and no one deserves any sort of hurt, bullying or insults on a minecraft server
…we dont allow it? we just use a different track than you would want us to? you make it sound like we don’t punish for it, but we do.
they break a rule, they get punished - just not with the track you have in mind
 

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…we dont allow it? we just use a different track than you would want us to? you make it sound like we don’t punish for it, but we do.
they break a rule, they get punished - just not with the track you have in mind
I have in mind a track thats much the same as something like spamming, which you could get punished for saying something like "hi" three times. Compared to saying something that can have real life personal effects to someone. i dont even see it as a "punishment" when compared to someone saying somethign 3 times
 
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I have in mind a track thats much the same as something like spamming, which you could get punished for saying something like "hi" three times. Compared to saying something that can have real life personal effects to someone. i dont even see it as a "punishment" when compared to someone saying somethign 3 times
saying 'vote xxx or ur gay' has no negative meaning and is not offensive at all
if you're getting offended by this your should seriously consider not getting outside at all or you might melt as this is snowflake behaviour on a new level
 
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that's just not true at all, there's no need to use being gay as an insult and i don't see how you could say it's not offensive to people. And to say anyone who feels bullied about people mocking their sexuality is too weak or whatever is wrong.
since when is 'vote xxx or ur gay' an insult? that makes you part of the problem
+ I am definitely against bullying for their sexuality, but how is this bullying at all
it's not nice to say (which is why it's getting punished for) but this is so far from hate speech
 
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that is taking words out of context

last reply i will give since this is not getting anywhere, but people are punished for mocking with anyones sexuality. i consider hate speech saying stuff about an entire group/against a particular someone specifically because they are in that group, not “mocking”/overusing gay :p
 
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Was that message sent with the sole purpose to offend, because if it was it fits perfectly under Cubecrafts hate speech punishment. You also gave no reasons so i don't really understand
I think one was for the sole purpose of insulting the group.

And the other one was for the purpose of getting people to vote for a certain mode. And that word doesn't have just 1 meaning, there is 3.
So I mean the sentence can go as " Vote this or your Stupid" (Yes that is one of the meanings)
Or it being 'Vote this or you're joyful" Which honestly makes no sense


Now I am only saying that it would be fair for swearing if it was the only person.

But
Yesterday, I encountered three people sending hate speech messages in a minerware game against gay people, these messages were sent with the sole purpose to insult, and offend people. I reported these people and two of them were muted for hate speech, as I expected. But one was just warned for swearing.
This makes it seem like it was
Player 1 said
Player 2 Replied (with that sentence)

So yes (If that is so) I believe that what you are saying is correct and they both should have been muted for hate speech
 

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I really don't think people should get so uptight over something like this. Personally, I'm not gay. If someone decides to call me "Gay," then I just don't worry about it, since it's clearly a joke. If you really feel like you are offended by someone saying something like, "Vote this or you're gay," then just report it or leave it be. In the end, it's either just another kid who can't take a loss, or it's just another toxic guy. Take it as a joke, and you'll probably laugh at it.

Now, I have been threatened before, like people saying they will pull my ip or physically hurt me irl. That is Not acceptable and that player should be muted/punished for saying something like that. This type of "Hate Speech" should be taken seriously.

I hope you understand what I mean.
 

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like people saying they will pull my ip or physically hurt me irl.
One second let me use unreasonable logic.

When people do this to me I laugh at it personally. Because they are over the internet, and I am not stupid enough to get my IP grabbed or to leak my personal information to them. And when clicking on untrusted links I use a Multi VPN which basically keeps getting partial packets from 20 different servers. (They can't even see anyone connecting basically)

It shouldn't matter what the threat is. Neither of the people saying it are going to be able to do something about any of it unless the person who is receiving the threats/hate gives them anything.
Each player giving any kind of threat deserves the same punishment as the others.

If they get no punishment they just keep doing it more and more until they find it amusing to get lightly punished for a big thing.
 

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you are so exaggerating “vote x or ur gay” in my opinion :3
I believe this word is used to offend anyone who doesn't vote 'x', and not to offend any person who is gay. He could've replaced the word for suppose the word 'stupid' or 'dumb' or 'ugly'. But he chose to say 'gay' as a swearword. So I understand he got punished for swearing and not for hatespeech. Suppose he would've said 'vote x or ur just another worthless gay person', I would find that hatespeech because he is actually insulting being gay. What he said right now was not meant to insult being gay, however it did, but it was meant to insult anyone not voting 'x'.
I also feel like some moderators would still punish the player for hatespeech, and some would punish him for swearing. It depends who the moderator that handles the report is.
 

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One second let me use unreasonable logic.

When people do this to me I laugh at it personally. Because they are over the internet, and I am not stupid enough to get my IP grabbed or to leak my personal information to them. And when clicking on untrusted links I use a Multi VPN which basically keeps getting partial packets from 20 different servers. (They can't even see anyone connecting basically)
Yeah, you've got a point
 
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