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How should I go about getting 500 nuggets and 50 ingots from pigmen as fast as I can? Can I kill them from fall damage or do I have to manually hit them at least once before they die?

I have a spider grinder to farm string but I need 200 spider eyes to unlock the nether, and spiders do not drop eyes unless killed by a player. Is there a way to make the spiders not climb the walls of my mob grinder or do I have to slap a spawner down and get the eyes manually?