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It'd be nice if you based the graph off of actual given statistics with solid numbers.
If you're talking about the graph, I did that to make a point that making a random graph with no stats behind it doesn't say anything.
It seems like the only point you've made that isn't really opinion or pulled out of nowhere with no evidence to back it up is the fact that rods are difficult to aim. And honestly, if 1.9 still had usable fishing rods, would that make 1.9 more skill based or what?
My reasoning is solely based off of personal experience. It's pretty much I think I get to know for myself if I've played 1.8 and below for roughly 5 years just to move over to 1.9+.
Here are my problems with 1.8 that aren't as bad with 1.9: If I average around 170 ms like I do on Cube, people could take advantage of that and hit from what seems like an impossible range on your client side. This could go both ways, but it's honestly what's wrong with Minecraft PVP in all versions. Knockback itself is also extremely bogus in 1.8 compared to 1.9. I mean, 1 sprint hit can launch you ~3 blocks, and don't even forget 2 consecutive sprint hits. That's essentially you being cannoned away with minimal effort. Now, all you need to do to improve is improve your aim. The rest is nothing compared to that. And that goes for both versions. In short: I personally feel that 1.9 has much fewer problems than 1.8.
When it comes down to it, 1.8 or 1.9 is 100% personal preference. Change my mind.
Should I give data on my own experiences or?
-The argument 1.9 supporters use is probably valid
-"1.8 is timing based somewhat, just not in the way 1.9 is"
-".. the sword cooldown is in addition to the damage cooldown, the more cooldowns there are, the more skill based it is which is technically true.."
If anything this video only moved my personal opinion more in favor of 1.9 pvp.
Anyway, you're not gonna change anything. cube won't ever just go back to 1.8 and ditch 1.9+ pvp entirely just because some guys liked 1.8 more. I don't get what you're really arguing for.
This will probably be my last comment here as I see this "argument" as completely pointless.
(Sorry for looking like scum).
Ah yes, the damage immunity argument. At least he understands that the reason the attack cooldown is as long as it is is so that it matches up with damage immunity.
My basic point is that the rate of attack should be the about the same as the rate of damage -- spamclicking just for the sake of spamclicking despite the fact that you can only hit twice a second at most anyways is just silly. And, as tene clearly indicates in this video, he doesn't really prioritize "timing" or "skill" as features in combat anyways, so I don't know why he brings it up.
At the end of the day, 1.8- players simply don't like 1.9+ combat because spamclicking combat "feels" more fun to them. I think it is totally possible for there to be a combat system that doesn't involve spamming but that is still fun like 1.8 was to them -- and if 1.9+ isn't doing it for you, how about suggesting things to make it feel better instead of asking Mojang/Cubecraft to strip away the changes that we 1.9+ players enjoy.
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Gainfullterror
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I could just as well just change it to this:
It'd be nice if you based the graph off of actual given statistics with solid numbers.
The reason why I made mine look the way I did is because when you start playing 1.9 you notice yourself getting better very easily, but at a certain point you don't get much better. In 1.8 I find you can always keep on improving because not everyone is complete garbage and arent "spam click noobs".
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What are you on about? What have I said other than personal experience?
If you're talking about the graph, I did that to make a point that making a random graph with no stats behind it doesn't say anything.
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I've yet to see a response to see what your graph is supposed to mean though... Also, this was a response to EJ's comment.
It seems like the only point you've made that isn't really opinion or pulled out of nowhere with no evidence to back it up is the fact that rods are difficult to aim. And honestly, if 1.9 still had usable fishing rods, would that make 1.9 more skill based or what?
My reasoning is solely based off of personal experience. It's pretty much I think I get to know for myself if I've played 1.8 and below for roughly 5 years just to move over to 1.9+.
Here are my problems with 1.8 that aren't as bad with 1.9: If I average around 170 ms like I do on Cube, people could take advantage of that and hit from what seems like an impossible range on your client side. This could go both ways, but it's honestly what's wrong with Minecraft PVP in all versions. Knockback itself is also extremely bogus in 1.8 compared to 1.9. I mean, 1 sprint hit can launch you ~3 blocks, and don't even forget 2 consecutive sprint hits. That's essentially you being cannoned away with minimal effort. Now, all you need to do to improve is improve your aim. The rest is nothing compared to that. And that goes for both versions. In short: I personally feel that 1.9 has much fewer problems than 1.8.
When it comes down to it, 1.8 or 1.9 is 100% personal preference. Change my mind.
Gainfullterror
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Because I've only mentioned personal experiences. Effot & Lethalpig seem to make general statements based off of their opinion with no real facts behind them.
Should I give data on my own experiences or?
Even the video creator itself admits that:
-The argument 1.9 supporters use is probably valid
-"1.8 is timing based somewhat, just not in the way 1.9 is"
-".. the sword cooldown is in addition to the damage cooldown, the more cooldowns there are, the more skill based it is which is technically true.."
If anything this video only moved my personal opinion more in favor of 1.9 pvp.
Anyway, you're not gonna change anything. cube won't ever just go back to 1.8 and ditch 1.9+ pvp entirely just because some guys liked 1.8 more. I don't get what you're really arguing for.
This will probably be my last comment here as I see this "argument" as completely pointless.
To be completely honest I didn't watch the video. I generally watch all this guy's videos so I expected this to be a good one. (I'm in school and the video came out so I couldn't watch it). I am going to do a full response after I watch the video.
(Sorry for looking like scum).
Ah yes, the damage immunity argument. At least he understands that the reason the attack cooldown is as long as it is is so that it matches up with damage immunity.
My basic point is that the rate of attack should be the about the same as the rate of damage -- spamclicking just for the sake of spamclicking despite the fact that you can only hit twice a second at most anyways is just silly. And, as tene clearly indicates in this video, he doesn't really prioritize "timing" or "skill" as features in combat anyways, so I don't know why he brings it up.
At the end of the day, 1.8- players simply don't like 1.9+ combat because spamclicking combat "feels" more fun to them. I think it is totally possible for there to be a combat system that doesn't involve spamming but that is still fun like 1.8 was to them -- and if 1.9+ isn't doing it for you, how about suggesting things to make it feel better instead of asking Mojang/Cubecraft to strip away the changes that we 1.9+ players enjoy.
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