Egg wars changes i would make

20monkey03 · Sep 16, 2020

So i like to think I’m an okay eggwars player i have 1000+ egg destructions and quite a few games played under my belt however there are balance things in the game i think are flipped on its head, so im going to go through a list of things that i personally dont like about egg wars in its current state

Most of my least favorate parts about this game are how the game rewards the player for camping

first off the biggest issue i have with eggwars is how it rewards and punishes players for certain actions. Im a very fast paced player and dont care for 2+ hour games so i tend to get anywhere from 4 eggs to 7 eggs a game in solos. What do i get for risky, aggressive, and fast paced behavior? Nothing besides a shorter game. While a person who sits on thier diamond generator for the 20 minutes where im killing everyone gets full iron armor a diamond sword and and a punch bow. Could you see how thats a problem. so what you would assume from that is that you kill the teams next to you and then grab loot at middle and then camp at your base for the rest of the game. I have done this a few times and every one of those games have gone on for 1 hour or longer which is painful and unfun to play.

another big thing that is a problem is how cheap bows are for how powerful they are. Bows in and of itself are too powerful to be in the game in my opinion but im not going to argue that this also flips the fast paced nature of minecraft pvp games on its head and rewards camping at your base, because if youre at your base then there is no threat of being knocked off there but an aggressive player, no matter how good he is, can be killed by a bow because of a lucky shot. This also makes the game very unfun to play.

Next up on the chopping block is ender pearls, they are WAY too expensive if you get 64 diamonds before anyone else the game should be an easy win i say that the only things that should cost 64 diamonds are enchanted golden apples and power five bows ender pearls arent acomplete game changer, sure they feel like it but ender pearls are the only counter to bows and stealth pearls dont exist. 4 out of 5 times the enemy team will see you before you break his egg with an ender pearl

and finally buff some ofthe starting kits the only kit that is effective is the one that gives you ten blocks

TL;DR
AWARD AGGRESSIVE BEHAVIOR MORE
PUNISH PASSIVE BEHAVIOR WAY MORE
Bows need to cost 32 diamonds and punch bows need to be removed
Ender pearls should cost 32 diamonds
Increase the price of enchanted golden apples
buff all kits besides builder
(And give me better teammates in duos)

wxzzrd · Sep 16, 2020

I agree only with the ender pearl suggestion and the kit bugging the other one slight be fun forums but are not fun for other people

luv! · Sep 16, 2020

I disagree that punch bows should be removed and primarily agree with the post above me. Punch bows are an actual strategy that many players use; good or bad. I do agree that they should be more expensive. I'd like to see them cost Emeralds in fact; something I'll suggest when I'm free!

AceMelinda · Sep 16, 2020

20monkey03 said:
So i like to think I’m an okay eggwars player i have 1000+ egg destructions and quite a few games played under my belt however there are balance things in the game i think are flipped on its head, so im going to go through a list of things that i personally dont like about egg wars in its current state

Most of my least favorate parts about this game are how the game rewards the player for camping

first off the biggest issue i have with eggwars is how it rewards and punishes players for certain actions. Im a very fast paced player and dont care for 2+ hour games so i tend to get anywhere from 4 eggs to 7 eggs a game in solos. What do i get for risky, aggressive, and fast paced behavior? Nothing besides a shorter game. While a person who sits on thier diamond generator for the 20 minutes where im killing everyone gets full iron armor a diamond sword and and a punch bow. Could you see how thats a problem. so what you would assume from that is that you kill the teams next to you and then grab loot at middle and then camp at your base for the rest of the game. I have done this a few times and every one of those games have gone on for 1 hour or longer which is painful and unfun to play.

another big thing that is a problem is how cheap bows are for how powerful they are. Bows in and of itself are too powerful to be in the game in my opinion but im not going to argue that this also flips the fast paced nature of minecraft pvp games on its head and rewards camping at your base, because if youre at your base then there is no threat of being knocked off there but an aggressive player, no matter how good he is, can be killed by a bow because of a lucky shot. This also makes the game very unfun to play.

Next up on the chopping block is ender pearls, they are WAY too expensive if you get 64 diamonds before anyone else the game should be an easy win i say that the only things that should cost 64 diamonds are enchanted golden apples and power five bows ender pearls arent acomplete game changer, sure they feel like it but ender pearls are the only counter to bows and stealth pearls dont exist. 4 out of 5 times the enemy team will see you before you break his egg with an ender pearl

and finally buff some ofthe starting kits the only kit that is effective is the one that gives you ten blocks

TL;DR
AWARD AGGRESSIVE BEHAVIOR MORE
PUNISH PASSIVE BEHAVIOR WAY MORE
Bows need to cost 32 diamonds and punch bows need to be removed
Ender pearls should cost 32 diamonds
Increase the price of enchanted golden apples
buff all kits besides builder
(And give me better teammates in duos)

As a lb player with 7k eggs destroyed, I could not have said it better.

he77789 · Sep 18, 2020

IMO punch bows should not be removed but instead the bows' ranges should be increased. Currently it feels like the bow is more for bowspamming, or holding the bow and wait until someone comes near. Increasing its range would allow more more aggressive plays such as shooting people down into the void when they bridge.

LeCastel · Sep 18, 2020

20monkey03 said:
AWARD AGGRESSIVE BEHAVIOR MORE

I guess the new Theft ability does this? 40% change to steal 20% of their resources.

There definitely should be some kind of push to keep players moving around. They could have reworked the emerald system for that. Hell, even with diamonds. Imagine if you could only spend diamonds in shops on other islands. That alone would force people that like to camp to at least attack or find an empty island, otherwise their resources would be useless.

20monkey03 said:
Bows need to cost 32 diamonds and punch bows need to be removed

Personally I disagree. They already are much more expansive than they used to be. Just keep an eye out for people that rush mid for dia and focus your attention on them.

20monkey03 said:
Ender pearls should cost 32 diamonds

Double edged sword: easier for you to get one, but also easier for the camper to save up on multiple.

MeliodasWrath · Sep 18, 2020

Punch bows are a strategy; though an expensive one. 25 diamonds! And if they use a bow, with 1000 egg breaks I'm assuming you can block clutch.

I agree with enderpearls, I think they should only be bought as a last resort if someone is camping with a bow, but if that does happen the game just takes too long to get that one item. 32 or 30 seems like a fair price to me.

God apples are fine, you can still knock them off the edge and running is always an option. If they can get a god apple, so can you.

Kits don't need buffing.

Your reward/punishment system seems very heavily biased towards your playstyle. What you want is to make rushing the best strategy. If you think someone is camping, take them out before they have a chance or kill everyone else and get stacked yourself. Playing aggressively is obviously a risky strategy, and not how eggwars was designed to be played.

-1 for most of this post.

InkAsriel · Sep 18, 2020

i think the punch bow should be slightly more expensive, maybe 32. sure its not a huge change in price, but it still will make the game slightly more balanced against campers. the only thing you can do against bow camp is either save up for a (as mentioned) way too expensive ender pearl in the hope you kill them, or make a tunnel bridge out of a storng block so they cant just spleef you or something. as crazy as it sounds, an obsidian bridge would work in overpowered as its not too expensive (and god i hate that).
long games are kinda annoying for some people, especially when your time is limited. i think there should be something like a border that pushes people into a fight, a sudden death match, events.... just something to not only give the game a time limit, but also more interesting!
i agree with you, things have to change in eggwars, but the bow thingy is mehhhhh, still a +1 from me tho.

iTBD · Sep 18, 2020

Well, the different players are using different strategies. You just need to find your own strategy that works good for you - you are having problems with campers, perhaps you should try a different strategy for killing campers, like building to mid and then going for everyone who connected their islands to mid.
And for the lucky shots - while it`s not fun for the player who died, it is definitely fun for the player who managed to shot them! Everyone finds their own way to enjoy Eggwars, if it`s not breaking the rules you can`t do anything about it, how would you feel if, for example, speedbriging gets banned and you can`t have so many fast games?

EggCracker12 · Sep 19, 2020

I agree 100 %!
I think punch bows should be 50 diamonds which is twice as much as they are costing now instead of no punch bow though so you can kill some hackers.
Ender pearls should cost low diamonds too like on bedwars on other servers so you can rush the people who are just camping all game and being annoying and so games dont take 20 minutes or even longer.
You are right rushing is fun and camping isnt so more needs to be done to stop the pesky campers. I think diamond generator should be disabled for the first 2 minutes of the game to stop the diamond rushers who camp and to give the egg rushers like us a head start so it makes the game faster and have a more fun feel like lucky islands and skywars. I think the server would enjoy this style of eggwars a lot more!

InkAsriel · Sep 19, 2020

EggCracker12 said:
I agree 100 %!
I think punch bows should be 50 diamonds which is twice as much as they are costing now instead of no punch bow though so you can kill some hackers.
Ender pearls should cost low diamonds too like on bedwars on other servers so you can rush the people who are just camping all game and being annoying and so games dont take 20 minutes or even longer.
You are right rushing is fun and camping isnt so more needs to be done to stop the pesky campers. I think diamond generator should be disabled for the first 2 minutes of the game to stop the diamond rushers who camp and to give the egg rushers like us a head start so it makes the game faster and have a more fun feel like lucky islands and skywars. I think the server would enjoy this style of eggwars a lot more!

i think instant rush is kinda eehhh tho, it removes the challenge from the game and doesnt give people a real chance to defend. diamond rushers arent that much of a deal, the fact they will camp after is tho

Zeobitz_ · Sep 19, 2020

i agree with pearl and bow as for the first one not rlly as some ppl just straight up like long games

EggCracker12 · Sep 19, 2020

InkAsriel said:
i think instant rush is kinda eehhh tho, it removes the challenge from the game and doesnt give people a real chance to defend. diamond rushers arent that much of a deal, the fact they will camp after is tho

well i dont think so i think it is good to encourage players to rush each other at teh start

RelatedNoobs · Sep 20, 2020

I totally agree with you 100%. Every egg wars update has made the game more “farm friendly”. But for me being top 10 on the egg wars duos boards, I can say I need fast wins. The only issue is I don’t see what you could change to make it more “rusher friendly”.

MeliodasWrath · Sep 20, 2020

You people aren't looking at it from all perspectives. You want the game to be played to suit YOUR playstyle, and nobody else's. The game is already balanced, eggwars isn't meant to be a quick game, there is skywars for that. Rushing shouldn't be the main strategy just because you want it to be.

InkAsriel · Sep 20, 2020

can someone pls give me a good reason why rushing to win is a good thing? is winning really THAT important compared to actually having fun? the thing about eggwars should we coming up with good strategies and stuff, not just instant rushing and ruining the fun for others :c

EggCracker12 · Sep 20, 2020

TechnoBoop said:
You people aren't looking at it from all perspectives. You want the game to be played to suit YOUR playstyle, and nobody else's. The game is already balanced, eggwars isn't meant to be a quick game, there is skywars for that. Rushing shouldn't be the main strategy just because you want it to be.

eggwars is way more fun as a quick game than a long game.

InkAsriel · Sep 20, 2020

EggCracker12 said:
eggwars is way more fun as a quick game than a long game.

theres a difference between quick and just instantly rushing

LeCastel · Sep 21, 2020

InkAsriel said:
can someone pls give me a good reason why rushing to win is a good thing? is winning really THAT important compared to actually having fun? the thing about eggwars should we coming up with good strategies and stuff, not just instant rushing and ruining the fun for others :c

I get no enjoyment out of sitting on a generator. So I try to be as out and about as possible, because then you actually engage in fights. Obviously it's subjective, we all enjoy different ways to play, but that's why I rush. Not because it's important to win, but because it's just boring otherwise for me.

InkAsriel · Sep 21, 2020

Sprout said:
I get no enjoyment out of sitting on a generator. So I try to be as out and about as possible, because then you actually engage in fights. Obviously it's subjective, we all enjoy different ways to play, but that's why I rush. Not because it's important to win, but because it's just boring otherwise for me.

but isnt it kinda the point of eggwars to get stronger and stuff so you can actually attack people? i will admit it really sucks, especially when you have a teammate who farms diamonds forever, gets iron gear and instantly dies. but you have rushing, and you have being fast with your attacks, rushing is just instantly going for the enemy where you dont even give them a chance, but quick attack is actually getting gear and then full time focus on the attack as soon as you can, but still with normal egg defence and stuff.

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